Who told Umbridge leading to dark thoughts about Flitwick
saraquel_omphale
saraquel_omphale at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 22 09:40:49 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 145174
Saraquel:
I've been reading OotP and have come across a little puzzle. How
did Umbridge find out that they had formed the DA? They had the
meeting on Saturday and the notice banning all groups appeared on
the following Monday. Now it could be coincidence, but the
characters in the book are convinced that it is not, but they don't
come up with an explanation.
So, who knew they were in there, and who heard what was said?
Hermione asked Flitwick whether they were allowed into the Hog's
Head on Hogsmeade weekends. So Flitwick could have deduced that
something was going down there.
In the Hog's Head at the time of the meeting there was:
Mundungus in the Witches outfit.
Two hooded strangers talking in Yorkshire accents.
A man at the bar, his head wrapped in bandages drinking fire whisky.
And the barman (Aberforth, DDs brother we all assume.)
None of the DA participants could have said anything because of
Hermione's hex. However, Hermione does imply that telling Umbridge
triggers it, but does not say whether telling anyone else would
trigger it. (UK ed ch17 p315)
We are told at some point, is it by Sirius? that Mundungus has been
banned from the Hog's Head for 20 years, which is why he went in
disguise, but we also know that Mundungus and Aberforth are actually
on speaking terms (HBP, the stolen Black silver incident.)
I don't recall any characters as having been specifically identified
as having Yorkshire accents (although it is possible that Snape
comes from Yorkshire Spinners End being in a mill town. However,
IMO Snape is nowhere near this scene.) It could be someone posing as
the whisky drinker - any ideas of who and why?
I think that the likelihood of Mundungus telling Umbridge is pretty
remote. We know that Mundungus reported back to the Order, so it is
possible that everyone in the Order knew pretty quickly. Saturday
night would be a good night for a meeting. This must include Snape,
who, if you go in for ESE!Snape (which I don't) could have tipped
Umbridge off. Personally I don't think so. It could be a yet
unidentified spy in the Order, but thinking of the ESE!Tonks/Lupin
adherents, you could point the finger there but I'd have real
difficulty in seeing Lupin, however Evil and wanting to call a halt
to things, tipping off Umbridge.
Aberforth, the barman is as yet an unknown quantity. We have seen
him in the photo of the order at the start of OotP, and Moody says
it was the only time he met him. It would appear that DD has a
fondness for him even if goats don't. I suspect that he is now in
possession of the locket from Grimauld Place (Horcrux or not, as the
case may be.) If anything, I think he is probably on the side of
good rather than evil.
I've been thinking a bit about Flitwick, and whether he might be a
fly or even a spy in the ointment. I'd be really grateful if
someone could point me to any ESE!Flitwick discussions which have
taken place, as I'm sure there will have been some.
Is he in the Order? IIRC, we never see him at the meetings at
Grimauld Place, but he was patrolling the corridors on the fateful
night in HBP. Could he have found out from Aberforth what was
discussed in the Hog's Head, if he didn't find out through the
Order. If he is ESE, then it could explain why Snape knocked him
out when he ran to the Tower in HBP. That bit has never really made
sense to me, as I really can't see Snape as being ESE, there are too
many holes in it, but why would Snape take out Flitwick if he was
OFH! or DDM!?
Ah well, any thoughts anyone if it's been really discussed in
length before (highly probable) I really would be grateful for a
synopsis or a post number.
Saraquel
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