*When* did Dumbledore die?

another_potter_fan kevin_mcgoff at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 22 19:23:28 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 145208

---Pippin:
> The words of the vow are, "And, should it prove necessary...if 
> it seems Draco will fail...will you carry out the deed that the 
> Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform?" 
> There are two conditions, and it is not clear how the magic 
> decides whether the conditions have been fulfilled. 

APF:
Thanks for the quote. In this whole discussion, I believe we all 
agree that LV has ordered Draco to kill DD? That said, the quote 
is your standard "if-then" statement: "If it seems Draco will 
fail... [then] will you carry out the deed the Dark Lord has 
ordered Draco to perform?" (my addition in brackets)  

The only condition necessary for SS to act is "If it seems Draco 
will fail." The second part the quote requires action from SS.
Now, to be honest, I've only read HBP once (and even then it was 
on loan so I only got through it once), but if I remember the 
essence of the scene, Draco had already lowered his wand and it 
appeared pretty evident that he wasn't going to go through with 
killing DD. Seeing this, SS had a choice to kill DD or to die as 
a result of the UV. 

---Pippin:
> It would make sense for the failure to be in the eyes of 
> Voldemort. 

I agree that DD was most likely dying as a result of the potion, 
but the thought I'm focusing on is the difference between the 
order to Draco and the UV. If Draco had tried to kill DD, and the 
potion beat him to it, then Draco might just survive the wrath of 
LV (doubtful ,but maybe). Or, in the case of the tower scene, if 
he had chickened out at the last minute, he could have gone into 
protective custody with the Order. On the other hand, by making 
the UV, SS was committed to killing DD once he saw Draco fail to 
kill DD when he had the chance ("If it seems Draco will fail..."). 
SS was already feeling the pressure anyway to kill DD, what with 
the poor attempts made by Draco throughout the year, as evidenced 
by the discussion between DD and SS overheard (in part) by Hagrid.

APF, humbled by the fact everyone else knows more about HP than me 
and hoping that I'm not p***ing anybody off.









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