Nature of the Vow:
ornadv
ornawn at 013.net
Mon Dec 26 17:58:43 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 145434
>Steve/bboyminn:
>Perhaps, it is your own mind and your own belief that is the Judge,
>Jury, and Executioneer of the Vow.
Orna:
I would like to add that since the vow is between two people,
perhaps also the vow-requester has to believe in it, and has a say
in the strength of the compulsion. The other person doesn't have to
be there, but the Judge, Jury and executioner of the Vow could be
something in you which represents also the other half of the bound
person. If you or the other person would think the vow is due, under
the circumstances the compulsion gets stronger. Perhaps that's the
meaning of the hands and the flames with the bond some
mind/feeling-sharing, which enables/pressures the vower to take into
consideration the other persons judgment on the issue. Perhaps
something like Harry's flashes of Voldemort's feeling in OotP.
Looking at this from this POV, it explains also why the tower scene
would be so much of putting the vow into action Draco being
surrounded by DE witnessing his inability (as they understand it) to
kill DD, would drive Narcissa to the most extreme pressure she
wouldn't accept any excuse for postponement. Well, except the hair-
wash <g>
>Steve/bboyminn
>As long as you can create an
>internal mindset and belief that there is still hope of fulfilling
>the Vow, as un-rational as it might be, you could hold off the
>consequences for as long as you could maintain the belief.
>As long as Snape believes, while Draco isn't killing Dumbledore in
>the moment, that he will kill Dumbledore at some point, then the Vow
>hasn't been broken.
Orna:
Still, even like that - the longer you fool around with the vow -
the more damaged you get. It does have consequences since it means
tampering with your own mind instead of thinking sharp and
precise, it means splitting or diffusing your thought. I imagine it
might interfere somehow with abilities, not to mention the mental
energy required for this "stereo thinking". Snape, as an occlument,
should have the basic requirements for such an enterprise.
I think that would explain Snape's willingness to risk such a Vow
he is extremely good at controlling his mind, shutting feelings of,
and basically the abilities needed for tampering with a UV are quite
in line of a double spy's abilities.
I find it important to be able to imagine that Snape took the UV
with some vague idea of finding a way out, because if the UV is an
iron-cast situation, IMO he should have found a way to slither out
of action, on the dark lord's orders....
>Steve/bboyminn
>Given the level of 'Snape' discussion, I think we can all agree that
>JKR has done a remarkable job of creating doubt about Snape. On one
>hand, so many clues that he is Dumbledore's Man, yet, on the other
>hand, so much doubt at to his true allegance. You have to admit, it
>has been a masterful bit of storytelling.
Orna:
Admit - happily!
Orna
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