Real child abuse/ Snape again

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> Miles:
> This is certainly no basis for emotional abuse. And sorry, Alla, 
but this is
> beyond personal opinion, it is an unfounded stretching of the 
definition of
> emotional abuse you brought into our discussion. Sorry if it 
sounds rude,
> but it's really ad rem, not ad personam.
> You need a position of emotional dependence for this kind of 
abuse, and
> Snape never was in that kind of position.
> We see Snape in that kind of position in his relation to Draco, 
and he acts
> in a completely different way.


Alla:

Miles, I cannnot help but feel that you are questioning my expertise 
to decide what constitute abuse and what is not. I think that three 
years of working with domestic violence survivors and getting 
adequate training,  means that I am competent to decide what 
constitutes abuse and what is not. You disagree with me, that is 
your right. But you seem to say that "Snape is not abuser" is fact. 
That is only your opinion, in my opinion.
Reread the definition which I brought up in response to your earleir 
post, please and tell me how does it constitutes unfounded 
stretching of anything. 

Those kids ARE in the position to be emotionally dependent from 
Snape and books show it and with Harry they show it A LOT, IMO. IMO 
the fact that Snape interacts with Harry outside the classroom shows 
that Snape IS in that position. Reread for example the scene from 
GoF where Harry runs to the Dumbledore's office to tell him about 
Barty Sr. Is there ANYTHING in that scene that shows that these two 
interact because of Potions? It is totally unrelated  and Snape runs 
his mouth at Harry simply because he gets some kind of sadistic 
pleasure doing it, IMO of course. Do I think that this kind of 
mistreatment constitutes emotional abuse? Yes, I absolutely do.

Do I think that when Snape starts telling Harry how bad his father 
is costitutes emotional abuse? YES, and Snape is in the position, 
the unique position if I may to make Harry emotionally dependent 
from him, IMO.


Miles:
> I described Harry's reactions to *real* abuse by Umbridge, and 
this is
> totally different to his reactions to Snape. I do think that 
Rowling
> described the feelings of Harry and his reactions as the ones of 
an abused
> child because she wanted to show us, that Umbridge is not 
only "nasty" like
> Snape, but she is an abuser, a criminal.

Alla:

You determined that Umbridge abuse is "real" while Snape's is not 
based on what ? Of course Harry will react differently to Umbridge 
than to Snape because Umbridge's abuse is more SERIOUS that Snape's 
NOT because Snape is not an abuser, IMO of course.



Just my opinion of course, NOT a fact.

Alla