Who was with Voldemort at GH? /quick PoA question./Real child abuse

[Ceridwen]

No: HPFGUIDX 145659

Sherry:
> 
> Here's my biggest objection to Snape at Godric's hollow, in terms 
of the
> possibility of DDM Snape.  i am a bad Snape person, however, Snape 
at
> Godric's hollow makes evil Snape a strong possibility in the end.  
So, if a
> person believes in DDM Snape and believes that Snape was at GH, 
that would
> appear to be a big contradiction.  Here's why I believe that.
> 
> We know from the scene in OOTP, when the order comes to take Harry 
to
> headquarters, that only the secret keeper could reveal the 
location.  moody
> or Lupin could not tell Harry where it was.  In the same way, 
Voldemort
> couldn't tell Snape where to find GH.  So, the secret keeper had to 
tell
> him.  Even if Peter wrote it down, it still stretches Snape's 
credulity too
> far for me.  i've been thinking about this a long time, wondering 
how Snape
> could not know the identity of the SK.  Unless Peter was absolutely 
never at
> a death eater meeting, how could Snape not know?  The difference 
between
> peter and Sirius in appearance, even if they were always hooded is 
way too
> much to make it believable that Snape wouldn't have known the 
difference.

Ceridwen:
I snipped as much as I could of a very good argument.  I agree, 
though I come at Snape from a different perspective.

To answer your question:
"Can't sighted people recognize such things about people they know 
well, even if they see them in such a way that they don't see their 
faces?"
Yes.  Absolutely!  The build, the stance or way of walking, the way 
they hold their head, coloring, clothing or the type of clothes you'd 
expect them to wear.  The way the hair lays, even, or a quirk of 
tilting the head just so when talking.  Even in DE robes, Snape would 
have at the very least suspected that it was either Sirius or Peter, 
if the Order spy even showed up.  He may not have known them as well 
as someone sharing a dormitory with them, but he would have had ample 
opportunity while at school to see them, together or seperately, at a 
distance, and avoid or attack.  The same things would come into play 
at a distance as they would in DE robes.

I'm not convinced that the Order spy (we know it's Peter) came to DE 
meetings.  LV may have wanted to keep him under wraps in case there 
was a traitor in his midst.  Or, Peter may not have been a full-
fledged DE at the time, in case he would have turned, himself, and 
reported back to the Order, or if it turned out he was a plant.  The 
events at GH would have blown his cover, since he was the Secret 
Keeper and neither he nor LV had an absolute way of knowing that the 
Potters or Sirius hadn't told Dumbledore about the switch.  I think 
that would be the occasion when he was fully initiated, right before 
going to GH.  He would not be able to return to the Order after he 
was exposed like that.  And, possibly, it would mean that he wouldn't 
turn defense witness against other DEs and LV if things went south.

So, Peter or Sirius, I don't think Snape would have known who the spy 
was, since I don't think the spy would have been in the DE ranks at 
meetings.  I don't think LV would expose his ace in the hole that 
way, to so many followers, not just Snape, who would have seen Peter 
at school.

The only possibility would be that at PP's initiation and receipt of 
the Dark Mark, LV no longer had a reason to hide him.  Just because 
he gets the Mark doesn't mean it has to be done in front of 
everyone.  But taking the Mark would also mean in this case, that he 
has made a choice to be solely on LV's side so there would be no 
reason to hide him.  But it would have to be done immediately before 
going to GH, so any other spy wouldn't have a chance to reveal the 
true traitor.

I think that once the secret's been betrayed and the place is in 
rubble, the protection is no longer in place, but that's just me and 
I don't know how it would work.  But, for Snape to have been there 
before the actual killings, he would have had to have heard the 
secret from the SK, or have read a note from him (unlikely IMO, but 
not impossible).  And he may have been able to recognize Peter's 
writing, too, since Slytherin and Gryffindor do share some classes.  
So, though it would be BANGy, even for a DDM!Snape caught off his 
guard, I don't think the person, if any, at GH with LV, would be 
Snape.

My guess would be Peter Pettigrew himself.  Until LV entered, there 
was no reason to suspect him, so he could have knocked and gotten 
James or Lily to open the door, and then in comes LV.  Pure surprise, 
made even moreso by the fact that they trusted Peter and wouldn't 
have foreseen this event.  Also, Peter is still alive and able to 
tell what happened if Rowling doesn't use the Pensieve idea for a 
trip back to that night.  I wouldn't care for the story coming out at 
the end, which I think it would if PP is used for exposition.  But I 
do think it will come out.

Ceridwen.