DD knew Moody=Barty Crouch before Polyjuice expired

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 123607


Carol earlier:
> <snip >
> > 
> > Crouch!Moody then does two things that the real Alastor Moody
probably would not have done: he transfigures a student (Draco)into a
ferret and bounces him around, and he not only demonstrates all three
Unforgiveable Curses on spiders but actually casts the Imperius Curse
on his own students (I'm assuming all of them, at least in the fourth
year and up, and not just Harry's class.) Either he asks and receives
Dumbledore's permission for this blatant disregard of the laws of the
WW, probably arguing that he's an ex-auror and that Mr. Crouch has
authorized the aurors to use the Unforgiveable Curses, or he lies to
the students, telling them that he has received Dumbledore's
permission when he hasn't, a bit of information that would reach
Dumbledore's ears rather quickly. <
> 
Pippin replied:
> I agree with the first part of the analysis, the real Moody
wouldn't> have bounced Draco (though as we saw with Vernon he isn't
above a little intimidation where it will do some good). But as for
the second, we saw in OOP that in order to learn advanced defensive
skills, you do have to practice against real jinxes. And
[Crouch!]Moody confirms this, "According to the Ministry, I'm not
supposed to show you what illegal Dark curses look like until you're
in the sixth year. But Professor Dumbledore's got a higher opinion of
your nerves, he reckons you can cope, and I say, the sooner you know
what you're up against, the better." --A lie about what the ministry
allows to be taught in NEWT DADA (and thus tests for on the NEWTs)
would be obvious to a lot more people than just Dumbledore. I think 
Moody is telling the truth here. 

Carol responds: 
Thanks to both you and Steve for the points you made regarding my
analysis. As to Crouch!Moody, you may be right that NEWT students
normally see the Unforgiveable Curses demonstrated on spiders or other
small animals (the WW isn't big on animal rights), but practicing them
on the students is, IMO, another matter. It's strictly illegal and the
curses are by definition Unforgiveable. The real Moody was authorized
to cast them on Death Eaters at great need. Casting them on students
is another matter. And notice that *only* Harry could resist the
Imperius Curse, and he didn't learn how to do that from Crouch!Moody.
He just somehow had it in him to resist the curse's power. So I think
C!M was taking the permission to teach the Curses early farther than
the real Moody would have done and this was one reason why DD
suspected him to be an imposter. It was certainly one reason why I, as
a reader, was very uncomfortable with the character, though I
certainly didn't figure out that he was a polyjuiced DE who faked his
own death in Azkaban.

I don't think we can take Crouch!Moody's word for anything, and while
the Unforgiveable Curses undoubtedly show up on the *written* portion
of the NEWT DADA exam, I doubt that they show up on the practical.
Certainly the examiners aren't going to AK or Crucio the students and
ask them to demonstrate their resistance. I doubt that they'd Imperio
them, either. The Imperius Curse is not only illegal, it requires the
desire to violate the mind and will of the victim. That's why it, like
the Cruciatus Curse and Avada Kedavra, is Unforgiveable. For me, the
fact that C!M easily and comfortably performed an illegal curse on his
students, dismissing Hermione's protest with the excuse that DD had
authorized him to do so, was an indication (along with the bouncing
ferret incident) that something was not as it should be with this
particular professor.

Carol