DD knew Moody=Barty Crouch before Polyjuice expired

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 123634


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:

> I don't think we can take Crouch!Moody's word for anything, and 
while the Unforgiveable Curses undoubtedly show up on the 
*written* portion of the NEWT DADA exam, I doubt that they show 
up on the practical. Certainly the examiners aren't going to AK or 
Crucio the students and ask them to demonstrate their 
resistance. I doubt that they'd Imperio them, either. The Imperius 
Curse is not only illegal, it requires the desire to violate the mind 
and will of the victim. <

Pippin:
This sounds like an extrapolation...we only have Bella's lecture 
about what it takes to cast Crucio.  That doesn't tell us what it 
takes to cast Imperio, unless I am mistaken. The Unforgivable 
designation is a legal one, and if it is like other ministry laws, it 
probably represents a compromise between a number of 
differing moral philosophies and interests. 


We do have canon that there are recognized techniques for 
resisting Imperius, though I agree that Harry may not have 
learned them, much to the detriment of his progress at 
Occlumency:

"The Imperius curse can be fought and I'll be teaching you how, 
but it takes real strength of character and not everyone's got 
it."--Fake!Moody, GoF ch 14

a couple of weeks go by, then

To their surprise, Professor Moody had announced that he would 
be putting the Imperius curse on each of them in turn, to 
demonstrate its power and to see whether they could resist its 
effects. --GoF ch15

After the demonstration, the class is instructed to read up on it..

Ron:And when are we supposed to read up on resisting the 
Imperius curse  with everything else we've got to do? --GoF 15

Since Fake!Moody's efforts were announced well in advance, I 
don't think this was something he had to sneak past 
Dumbledore. There is independent confirmation that there are 
ways to resist Imperius:

Lupin:... most of the Wizarding community are completely 
unaware anything's happened, and that makes them easy 
targets for the Death Eaters if they're using the Imperius Curse. 
--OOP ch 5

It is hard for me to imagine that, after having had a warning,  
Fake!Moody would still go out of his way to antagonize 
Dumbledore by endangering  students unnecessarily and yet 
manage his role so superbly otherwise that he couldn't be 
detected. What Fake!Moody gives as Dumbledore's justification, 
that  Dumbledore wouldn't want them to have to  practice  for the 
first time what Imperio  feels like when a Dark wizard uses it on 
them, sounds plausible to me now and did when I first read it. 

That it *was* a Dark Wizard after all is just one of JKR's delicious 
little ironies. 

 We don't know if there is a way to resist Crucio -- or whether 
Dumbledore would approve of it, since he says that pain is part 
of being human.

Pippin