DD knew Moody=Barty Crouch before Polyjuice expired

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> <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> <snip>
> The Imperius 
> Curse is not only illegal, it requires the desire to violate the 
mind 
> and will of the victim. 
> 
> Pippin:
> This sounds like an extrapolation...we only have Bella's lecture 
> about what it takes to cast Crucio.  That doesn't tell us what it 
> takes to cast Imperio, unless I am mistaken. The Unforgivable 
> designation is a legal one, and if it is like other ministry laws, 
it 
> probably represents a compromise between a number of 
> differing moral philosophies and interests. 
> 

Neri:
This is indeed a slight extrapolation, but a very reasonable one. 
Bella's exact words are:

"Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy? You need to 
mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain--to enjoy it-
- righteous anger won't hurt me for long..." 

Bella's first two sentences clearly relate to all three 
Unforgivables. The third sentence relates only to Crucio (because 
this is what Harry tried at the time). So according to Bella "you 
need to mean" also Imperio and Avada Kedavra. This fits with Crouch!
Moody saying that all the class could point their wands at him and 
say the words, and he won't get more than a headache. And by a very 
modest and reasonable extrapolation from Crucio, Imperio requires you 
to enjoy violating one's freedom, and Avada Kedavra requires you to 
enjoy killing somebody. 

Also, we don't have strict canon for that, but my feeling is that the 
definition of the Unforgivables is MUCH more than legal. The legal 
definition by itself can indeed be compromised, as Crouch did, but 
this is only another evidence of Crouch compromising his moral 
principles, which made him similar to the evil he tried to fight. It 
appears that the Unforgivables are unforgivable because they are by 
their very nature evil. Very much like Sauron's ring, they are evil 
means that corrupt even the noblest goal. 

Neri