*MY* confusion about the Time Turner (getting long here)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 124111


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kgpopp" <kgpopp at y...> wrote:

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> Now Kristen,
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Okay ... lets pretend that at the present time and Harry, Ron & 
> Hermione are in Hagrid's cabin finding the rat.  At this same time 
> (in the  present) TT!Harry and TT!Hermione are ouside the cabin 
> arguing; ... So far so good everyone has a choice and events 
> happen based on those choices.   
> 
> Now current!harry, current!Ron and current!Hermione head back to the 
> castle and think that BB dies when they hear the swish.  ... TT!Hary
> and TT!Hermione ... save BB from being killed ...  Again following
> the theory 
 everyone has choice ...  No Paradox, history is not 
> changed.
> 
> But now fast forward (w/o a time turner) to the hospital and
> current!DD says 3 turns ought to do the trick .... ... At the same
> time we also have TT!Harry & TT!Hermione heading back to the 
> hospital.
> 
> So here is my question, now in the present do current!Harry and 
> current!Hermione have a choice about using the time turner?    
> ...edited...
> 

bboyminn:

Instead of looking at the hypothetical range of choices available to
Current!Harry, let's look at the motivation for the choice they are
likely to make based on the information they have available to them.
Dumbledore is offerring them a chance to save Sirus, that's all they
know. So logically what is Harry going to say, 'sorry, I've had a long
night, I'll just have a nap and let Sirius die'? 

It's not fate, destiny, or the fickle hands of time that are forcing
Harry to make his choice. Given that Harry doesn't want his newly
found known innocent Godfather to die or go back to prison, what
logical choice can Harry make? Naturally, any application of common
sense, would push Harry to attempt to save Sirius. 

Hypothetically, Harry stands on the threshold of infinite choices, and
one of those infinite choices is to take a nap and let Sirius die. But
considering Harry in that moment, one must ask what logical and
reasonable choice is Harry likely to make given the information he has
available to him. 

In that sense, Harry doesn't have a choice. It's unthinkable that he
wouldn't do everything he can to save Sirius. But it's not TT!Harry
running down the hall at that very moment that is forcing his hand;
it's love and human compassion that will not allow him to let Sirius
die if he/Harry has the power to stop it.

If you remove all variables but time travel, then you can say Harry
doesn't have a choice, or that fate, or destiny, or whatever you want
to call it, is forcing his choice.  However, when you allow all the
information into the equation, despite infinite theoretical
possibilities, Harry has only one logical choice. A choice he freely
and easily makes.


> Kristen:
>
> My other shorter question is what about using time turners to go 
> forward in time?   Does anyone think this is possible and if so how 
> does that impact the question of what is the present, what happened 
> is what happened?

bboyminn: 

Sorry I won't be much help here. We can reasonably speculate that you
can go forward in time, but we have no foundation for that
speculation. All references and examples, direct or implied, in the
books are related to traveling back in time.

Steve/bboyminn