Dumbledore the General.

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 124196


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant9998" 
<eggplant9998 at y...> wrote:
Eggplant:
In book 1 Harry defeated Voldemort twice, once with no help at all 
and the other time Queral was almost dead from fighting Harry by the 
time Dumbledore showed up. 

Tonks:
I assume that you are first referring to the time his mother's death 
saved him. And Harry passed out in the scene with Quirrell and DD 
came to his rescue.

Page 295 "
the pain in Harry's head was building—he couldn't see—he 
could only hear Quirrell's terrible shrieks and Voldemort's yells 
of "KILL HIM KILL HIM!" and other voices, maybe in Harry's own head, 
crying. "Harry, Harry". He felt Quirrell's arm wrenched from his 
grasp, knew all was lost, and fell into blackness, down
 down
 down


Page 297: DD is talking "I arrived just in time to pull Quirrell off 
you.." Harry says "it was you?"  DD said: "I feared I might be too 
late."  DD then goes to say that the effort involved in Harry 
fighting Quirrell nearly killed him. I think that it is rather clear 
that it would have killed Harry if DD had not come and grabbed 
Quirrell off of him.


Eggplant:
In book 2 Harry defeated Voldemort again with no help at all from 
Dumbledore. 

Tonks:
Ah
  Harry would be dead if it were not for DD. DD sent the Phoenix 
with the sorting hat and the sword and the Phoenix tear saved Harry 
from death.


Eggplant:
In book 4 Harry magically arm wrestled with Voldemort and won with 
no help from Dumbledore 

Tonks:
Again, Harry had help. From the ghost of the people that came out of 
the wand. They circled LV and kept his busy long enough for Harry to 
get away. 

Eggplant:
and in book 5
Voldemort had to retreat after just a few seconds when he tried to
possess Harry. 

Tonks:
This is true of the possession scene. LV possessed Harry because he 
wanted DD to kill Harry. But DD didn't. But before that when LV was 
trying to kill Harry, Harry was is some serious trouble and was no 
match for LV until DD came to the rescue.

Eggplant:
Dumbledore's record in these matters just can not compare with 
Harry's and Harry is only 15.

Tonks:
Are we both reading the same books?????  The only thing Harry has 
going for him is his ability to ask for and accept help. On his own 
the only time that he was able to fight LV was the possession scene. 
And this only because of the Love that was in Harry.  This Love 
which is in Harry's very blood is what saves him from total 
possession by LV. And that probably came from Lily. 

Tonks_op