Leadership in the Order (WAS:Dumbledore the General.)

[northsouth17]

No: HPFGUIDX 124348




> northsouth17 at y... suggested:
> 
> >It might be very interesting to see who will come to lead the 
Order,
> >if DD were to croak. Moody, possibly, though I would love to see
> >Arthur or Lupin dealing with shouldering that sort of
> >responisibility. Just so long as it isn't Harry or one of the kids
> >(Unless, in some highly exceptional circumstances, it's Ron) 
because
> >I think they need to stay at Hogwarts, and, well, honestly, how
> >precocious can you get? (Alexander the great notwithstanding:-))
> 

Janet Anderson:
> I especially hope that Dumbledore has let the Order know *who* he 
wants to 
> lead them if he is dead.  Otherwise chaos will ensue.
> 

Ns:
My, good point. The Order dosen't seem to have much in the way of a 
chain of command, does it? More of an adhocracy under DD, what with 
everyone being in the meetings. Even if DD hasn't, Moody, or 
Kingsley, or Arthur, who are used to functioning in a bureaucracy 
should have realised to set up a heirarchy of some sorts. (Although, 
I can see them avoiding it percisely beacuse any need for it would 
mean DD was gone.) Though Moody does mention that he'll be reporting 
Podmore to DD, so maybe there is some sort of system in place. 

Janet:
> My preference, of the available members, would be either Arthur or 
Moody.  
> Each of them has qualities that would make them a good successor to 
> Dumbledore as leader of the Order.  (I won't say "replacement," 
because no 
> one could possibly *replace* Dumbledore.)   
<snip about McGonogall, which I totally agree with> 

> Lupin hasn't got the leadership potential that Arthur does or the 
combat 
> experience that Moody does, and from a credibility standpoint his 
being a 
> werewolf would be a drawback. (It would also be inconvenient, since 
> Voldemort is unlikely to be considerate enough to avoid attacking 
during a 
> full moon.)

NS:
I'm not sure. Moody is a bit too out there, indulging is his own 
paranoid whims, and often talking about reporting back to DD. Lupin 
actually takes charge a bit, and rarely does that sort of shifting of 
authority to DD that the others do. (Although I may be biased. I 
desperately want Lupin to do something interesting). 

In the Advance Guard chapter, for example, Moody sends them 
zigzagging all over England, and he's the one giving Harry commands, 
but it's Lupin who gives the actual commands to the Order members - 
To mount their brooms, to take off, and descent. Later, when they're 
arguing about wheteher Harry should know what's going on, it's 
Lupin's say that settles the argument - did he really expect Harry 
not to say that he wanted to know? (Bloomsbury Hardback, pg 86) and 
again, it's Lupin who ends the debate when he backs Molly in saying 
that the kids have heard enough.

Anyway, before I start going through Lupin's every appearance in the 
book, I think Lupin might surprise us yet, if saddled with the 
responsibility, but he wouldn't go out of his way looking for it, and 
much the same for Arthur, though for him it's complicated by being 
related to half the order. 

Janet:
> Snape is Right Out.  I admire many qualities about Snape (while 
despising 
> others), but no way could he lead the Order.  Even if the others 
could deal 
> with it (and I have my doubts about Lupin and Bill), Harry -- 
without which 
> the whole endeavor is hopeless -- would probably go into a tailspin 
even 
> worse than anything in OotP.  It would be like a combination of 
Potions 
> class and Occlumency class with Voldemort thrown in.

NS:
Besides all that, Snape hasn't really shown any leadership ability 
that I can recall either. Admittedly, he isn't really in a situation 
to do so at any point, but I think by charecter he's not really a 
very take charge sort of person. Impecabbly responsible about his own 
actions, but alien to the whole concept of taking responsibily for 
those of others. 

Northsouth