Aurors and Unforgiveable Curses

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 124351


> 
> Juli:

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> Back to Aurors, they are the policemen of the WW, their job is to 
> keep the world safe, and like cops in a gun shot, wizards in a duel 
> can be killed, but it all depends the way it is done, we know Moody 
> has killed quite a number of DEs but I doubt he ever tried to AK 
> them, they just got killed by any other means. It's the difference 
> between man slaughter and homicide, completly different. so, I 
> believe Aurors should not use the Unforgiveables, but they have the 
> rhight to fight back and if the other wizard dies, well tom bad, 
> that's it.

Finwitch:

I agree it's about ethics. Now, it is true that there are situations 
where one must kill in order to survive. Mind the law of nature: eat 
or be eaten. (I wonder if Dudley misunderstood this and keeps 
eating? :) There are even times when death is a relief and welcome. 
(Apparently many Azkaban prisoners think so... Better death than a 
date with a Dementor)

And I do think that Moody didn't use AK to kill anyone - knife, 
poison, Mandrake, transfiguration into a fish on dry land, 
strangling...

And - er - there are many ways to manipulate people without Imperio. 
They have Veritaserum for getting truth out unwillingly - You can use 
Stunning and Mobilicorpus or banishing to get people out of harm's 
way - or confundus charm if you need someone to lie... 

What I wonder is if Crouch Sr. authorized it just so he could do it 
to his son?

As to why I think they're truly unforgivable as curses - I mean, if 
we *only* think of what it causes to the victim (loss off free will, 
torture, death) the charge is on those - like, you know, murder etc. 
Why ban the *method* totally, and in a worse way than the same effect 
by any other means?

The clue to that, I believe, is in Bellatrix' taunt to Harry after 
the er - intent, choice and/or will of crucio. (Attempt would have 
been so that the curse didn't hit the target, and casting would have 
been successful).

Righteous anger won't do that. You need to ENJOY doing these curses 
if you're to cast them. Taking pleasure on absolute control over 
someone, causing pain or killing?

And that -- that's what makes them unforgivable - what they require 
to be cast: you can't cast them in self-defence, not even in 
righteous anger or in revenge. You can only cast them if you LIKE 
that sort of thing. And I suppose they're also quite addictive, like 
the Mirror of Erised...

Finwitch