Marietta and Hermione (was JKR's Messages ) (was Re: Hermione In Trouble?)

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 120952


Charme wrote:
"I'm sorry, did I actually accuse you of anything? "

Del replies:
No no no no! I wasn't talking about you Charme! I'm sorry I gave you
that impression. It was obvious in my head that my comment was not
about you at all, so I wasn't cautious enough in my wording. Sorry!

Charme wrote:
"I think explaining this as listening or questioning to what people
*talk* about might be more prudent to the discussion. I have a
different view in that  LV, per the Order members in OoP, likes to
operate in secrecy and that's strikingly similiar to what happened
with the Nazis in WW2. Here's one way I can explain what I'm trying to
say: during the Holocaust, people *talked* about the rumors they heard
WRT what was really happening to their neighboring Jews after being
taken by the Nazis.  The *truth* came to light after all the talk,
didn't it? The Quibbler, while not taken seriously about Fudge's
goblin dinners (wooo, yummy), was taken more seriously by some wizards
and sold copious copies when Harry told his story much the same way
rumors about Holocaust came to print."

Del replies:
I understand what you mean. I would just like to point out a couple of
points that bother me about your analogy:
1. The Nazis and their doctrine were very visible during WWII. Their
anti-Jew laws were all over the place. So when people started
spreading the Holocaust rumours, they had real solid facts to base
those rumours on. On the other hand, both LV and the DEs are
completely hidden. The pureblood superiority doctrine is outlawed and
nobody dares preaching it out loud. So the rumours of VWII have very
little facts to support them.
2. The Jews were disappearing in great numbers. They were openly
arrested by the Nazis and deported. It wasn't in any way secret. What
was secret was what happened to them once they were deported. In the
WW, there aren't any such disappearances taking place. A few isolated
wizards and witches disappeared here and there, but nobody saw any DEs
taking them away, and their disappearances could often be explained in
another way.
3. It took years for the public to start believing the rumours about
the Holocaust, even though the Jews were being killed by thousands
every month. The WW only has a handful of disappearances and a single
witness to convince them of LV's return.
4. The Holocaust was about massive killings, and that was already hard
enough to believe. The VWII is about the *resurrection* of LV, which
is infinitely harder to believe.

And finally people in the WW *were* willing to listen. As you pointed
out, they *did* listen to the Quibbler when it printed Harry's
interview. This to me indicates that what those people were missing
was not the will to listen, but the sources to listen to. They
couldn't listen to what people were talking about because nobody was
talking about LV being reborn. What people did keep talking about was
how Harry was an attention-seeker brat, and how DD had lost his
marbles. And the only magazine who dared bashing Fudge was the one
with the least credibility. DD was a lone voice in a loud cacophony.

Del