[HPforGrownups] Marietta and Hermione (was JKR's Messages ) (was Re: Hermione In Trouble?)

[charme]

No: HPFGUIDX 120955


> Del replies:
> I understand what you mean. I would just like to point out a couple of
> points that bother me about your analogy:
> 1. The Nazis and their doctrine were very visible during WWII. Their
> anti-Jew laws were all over the place. So when people started
> spreading the Holocaust rumours, they had real solid facts to base
> those rumours on. On the other hand, both LV and the DEs are
> completely hidden. The pureblood superiority doctrine is outlawed and
> nobody dares preaching it out loud. So the rumours of VWII have very
> little facts to support them.
> 2. The Jews were disappearing in great numbers. They were openly
> arrested by the Nazis and deported. It wasn't in any way secret. What
> was secret was what happened to them once they were deported. In the
> WW, there aren't any such disappearances taking place. A few isolated
> wizards and witches disappeared here and there, but nobody saw any DEs
> taking them away, and their disappearances could often be explained in
> another way.
> 3. It took years for the public to start believing the rumours about
> the Holocaust, even though the Jews were being killed by thousands
> every month. The WW only has a handful of disappearances and a single
> witness to convince them of LV's return.
> 4. The Holocaust was about massive killings, and that was already hard
> enough to believe. The VWII is about the *resurrection* of LV, which
> is infinitely harder to believe.
>
charme:

My post was meant more to convey the information flow, sociology, psychology 
and conditions surrounding how *hidden* agendas finally reach public 
knowledge.

While the Nazis and their doctrine were probably more visible to those of 
you in Europe, they were not to everybody else in the world until much later 
on. Furthermore, like LV and the DE's, WW2 was declared after Jews in 
Germany under their own government had begun being victimized - and early 
accounts collected from Germans and Jews by the Holocaust Memorial Museum 
support the confusion, denial, and rumors which ran rampant as the Nazis 
began to formulate their doctrine and preach it. Let me be clear:  I'm 
talking before Jews neighborhood by neighbord were deported to concentration 
camps month after month. It's that "war declared before the government 
openly declares it" concept we discussed earlier. The same could be said of 
Kosovo, where racial and ethic cleansing began on a much smaller scale 
before becoming the outright norm. It builds and gains momentum and doesn't 
just start right out with a thousand people.

It's totally true the WW has only a handful of disappearances and a single 
witness.  And it's true the resurrection of LV is harder to believe than 
some things. However we've already seen via comments from the Weasley twins 
(if I recall correctly) that Arthur Weasley's fondness for Muggles is one of 
the reason Fudge doesn't support Arthur getting ahead at the Ministry - a 
clue to a dangerous undercurrent belief of racial superiority similiar to 
what occurred when Hitler took office. Law or no law, it's ok to have the 
belief as long as you don't act on it perhaps? It's what I interpret when I 
read the books.