Marietta and Hermione (was JKR's Messages ) (was Re: Hermione In Trouble?)

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 120958


Eggplant wrote:
" Wrong. In my example I was man B, and that changes things. "

Del replies:
In your example, yes, but not in mine. I did not use your example. If
I had meant to do so, I would have said so. You're just trying to
weasel out of the pit you put yourself into.

I, Del, wrote earlier:
"I know the difference between "I like what's right" and "what I like
is right"."

Eggplant wrote:
"I do too, one has the word "what's" in it and the other has the word
"what" in it. It's called logic, if I like what's right then what I
like is right AND if what I like is right then I like what's right.
Therefore, according to good old Aristotelian logic the two terms are
equivalent, that is, there is no test that can differentiate between
them. You are making a distinction without a difference."

Del replies:
No. You're making an equivalence between two things that are not
equal. You pretend to be logical, and yet you ignore the most basic
rules of logic.
You said for example that you dislike very very sweet people. Does
that make very very sweet people wrong? No it doesn't in my book.
Hence I have demonstrated that you dislike something that isn't wrong IMO.
I believe that systematically ignoring or weaseling out of
uncomfortable questions on a discussion board is wrong, and yet you
don't seem to mind doing that. Hence I have demonstrated that you
don't dislike something I believe to be wrong.
I could do the same with what you do like if I knew you better.
So I'm afraid you have absolutely not made your point that what you
like and what is right are one and the same. This might be so in your
head, but it's not a fact of life, it's not a basic rule of discussion
on this board, and you can't use it as a factual argument while
debating with me.

Eggplant wrote:
"Because the two most important Wizards of the age, Harry and
Dumbledore, told them about it, not to mention the entire faculty of 
Hogwarts, even Snape. And if people don't believe them then they are
WRONG."

Del replies:
You've got your facts dreadfully wrong.
1. Harry never publicly testified of anything before the Quibbler
interview.
2. DD is merely reporting what Harry allegedly told him, he's not
testifying of what he personally witnessed.
3. But Harry never confirmed DD's story before the Quibbler's
interview, so DD could have made it all up.
4. I don't remember reading about any other member of the faculty of
Hogwarts ever saying anything publicly about LV being ressucitated.
Least of all Snape.

So in the end we're still in the same place : all DD has to present is
his own unsupported and undetailed second-hand testimony.
 
Eggplant wrote:
"Barty Crouch jr saw him and told what he saw, and we know for a fact
 he could not be lying. And if people don't believe him then they are
WRONG. Wrong is not good."

Del replies:
People never had a chance to believe Barty Crouch Jr because they
never had a chance to hear his witness. Only 4 people heard Barty's
confession : Harry, DD, McGonagall and Snape. Not the WW.

Moreover, I don't remember DD or anyone else mentioning publicly Barty
Crouch Jr's testimony. They'd better not, mind you : the testimony of
a man who supposedly died years ago, about how another man who died
ever earlier came to free him from the Imperius Curse under which his
notably respectable father had put him. Actually, that story would go
very well with that other story about how a man who was killed in
front of dozens of witnesses ressucitated another man, but those two
powerful wizards then proved unable to control a 14-year-old boy, even
with the help of a dozen additional wizards. I mean, how could anyone
doubt the obvious truthfulness and plausabilitiy of such stories?

Del