[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape

[charme]

No: HPFGUIDX 122058

> Alla:
>
> <snipped the nice definition>
>
> I maintain that Snape is guilty of significantly worse atttitude
> towards human beings around him (who may I add cannot really defend
> themselves from his abuse) than just "unpleasantness".

charme:

You know, I was thinking about the "nice" thing and I have to say the only 
person I think whom we actively see Snape "nice" to is Prof McGonagall when 
he almost "sounds" delighted that she's been released from St Mungo's in 
OoP. I don't count how he treats Malfoy (it seems direct and neutral for the 
most part, even when dishing out punishment unfairly towards Harry and crew 
where Malfoy's antics are concerned.) He isn't "nice" to DD that way - very 
businesslike and sometimes curt, if you don't count his yelling pretty 
angrily at DD about Sirius towards the end of PoA.  No, Snape is far from 
nice a great majority of the time under that model to me.
>
> Tonks:
>
> So I do think that we, who are both good and kind, should cut Snape
> a little slack.  He has had a rough life, he has made his mistakes
> (the full cost of which we do not know), and we need to have some
> compassion.  Yes, even with the nasty bastard himself.  If DD says
> that Snape is OK, I trust DD's judgment.  Therefore Snape is a good
> person, a forgiven person with his scars still so visible to us all.

charme:

Where do we know Snape has had a rough life unless we're basing it on the 
Penseive scenes in OoP? 3 or 4 memories does not a childhood make, methinks. 
We don't know yet what all else Snape has experienced, what he chose to do 
willingly and if he knew the full ramification of his actions (which with as 
smart as he is supposed to be, one would think he probably did?) For me, 
it's too early for compassion or forgiveness, although I'd dearly love to be 
wrong since I am a Snape fan through and through.
>
> Alla:
>
> Well, it is good that you trust Dumbledore still. I don't trust him
> as good judge of character anymore. He misjudged people way to many
> times for my liking.
>
> Who is to say that he is not mistaken with Snape?
>
> But, I do want Snape to be redeemed at the end, I just don't think
> that he is YET.

charme,

I couldn't help but chuckle when I saw the last several Snape missives 
posted in the last 48 hours. Maybe it's me, but I recall Snape is very 
skilled at Occulmency, so much so that I think we're supposed to believe he 
has fooled LV! Why then couldn't he hide his feelings and true nature from 
DD, too? DD says in OoP when getting the truth out of Kreacher that he 
himself is "sufficiently skilled" as a Legilimens - how much skill is that, 
I wonder?