Favorite Snape Scenes - He's such a lovely professor, no really.

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 21 03:13:57 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 122562


Alla earlier:
Not everyone agrees with the fact that Snape is a horrible guy. 
Otherwise our Snape bashing and  Snape defending sessions would have 
died out  pretty fast. :o)
 
And even if I forget my doubts whether Snape now really thinks that 
murdering people is a bad thing, I would still think that those who 
abuse children for their pleasure are not "moral" people.
 
Carol responds:
Yes, I'm one of those people who doesn't think that Snape is
"horrible"--just strict, sarcastic, and occasionally unfair.

Alla:

I know. :o)


Carol:

Definitely not "nice," but until and unless he betrays Harry, DD, or
the Order, I will never concede that he's evil.

Alla:

So, is the bet on or not? I maintain that Snape's emotions against 
having which he so hypocritically ranted at Harry, will lead him to 
if not betrayal of the Order, then at least putting Harry in a  VERY 
dangerous situation.
I am speculating of course, but somehow it fits in my mind.

 
Carol:

 His goals are to get Harry to obey the
rules, stay out of danger, follow directions, and show respect.


Alla:

We REALLY don't know what Snape's goals are yet, unfortunately he 
keeps them to himself in that head of his. Oh, what would I give to 
use Legilimency spell on Snape. :o)


Carol:
But what I'm interested in here is not defending Snape for the
thousandth time but the idea that a person must be *nice* in order to
be *good*. Harry, our hero, whom we all agree is good, is very often
not nice, especially in OoP. He's rude and even cruel to Ron and
Hermione, his best friends. He's definitely not nice to Seamus when
Seamus wants to know what happened to Cedric. And he certainly 
doesn't turn the other cheek to Dudley; he bullies him in return. I 
can go quote hunting if you like to show mean!Harry. On those 
occasions, has he become temporarily evil? 

Alla:

Ummm, yeas... it makes Harry's actions to be not the actions of the 
good person, IMO. Not EVIL yet, definitely, but NOT good either. 
I should specify though that I am conceding this assumption ONLY for 
Harry's actions towards Ron and Hermione. Definitely not for Dudley. 
For fifteen years Harry suffered from Dudley's actions. Dudley got 
what he deserved and actually MORE than he deserved, IMO.
Sure, Harry bullied him a little, but as soon as danger came , he 
saved Dudley. I would say that Harry was very " nice" to him when 
push came to shove.

The difference between Harry and Snape, IMO, is that Harry is sorry 
for those actions and Harry is fifteen, he has time to get it right. 
Hey, I will offer you another bet - we will see significantly less 
of "emotionally unbalanced" Harry in HBP AND Snape will be the 
absolute SAME


Carol:

Umbridge and Crouch!Moody are both "nicer"than Snape. Does that make 
them good? Or are meanness and evil two
different things?


Alla:

I thought I said in the earlier post I am NOT talking about 
fake "niceness", only about genuine one.


Just my opinion,

Alla







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