Favorite Snape Scenes - He's such a lovely professor, no really.

[Renee]

No: HPFGUIDX 122711


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> 
>  > Renee:
> > Snape apparently doesn't trust DD's judgement concerning 
> others,  though it's DD's judgement of him that kept him out of 
> trouble after  the first Voldemort war. He's only too eager to 
think 
> the worst of  others, even though DD apparently never thought 
> the worst of him.   <
> 
> Pippin:
> I'm not sure what you mean by that. Dumbledore did  believe the 
> worst of Snape, "Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater." But 
> he believed that Snape had changed. 

Renee:
What I meant - sorry for not putting it more clearly before is that 
DD *knew* the worst about Snape, but he came to *believe* Snape had 
changed, for reasons still to be divulged. Apparently, he did and 
does not believe Snape is still on Voldemort's side and just feigns 
to be on DD's.  

<snip>
Pippin:
Sirius, in contrast, still thought Snape deserved to 
> have been bitten by the werewolf. Snape might perhaps be 
> forgiven for thinking Sirius unrepentant.

Renee:
He might, perhaps, if he'd heard Lupin out and still remained 
unconvinced. The problem is that he doesnt. What if DD, knowing 
Snape was a Death Eater, hadn't listened when Snape showed up but 
immediately handed him over to the authorities?   
 
> Pippin previously: 
> > > On that basis the threat of dementors doesn't seem so 
> outrageous. Plenty of people think that killing DE's on sight is 
>  the right thing to do. Sirius and Lupin, for example, who also 
> have to  be stopped by Harry from killing the  man they believe is 
> guilty.
> > > 
> 
> Renee:
> > But you omit that Sirius and Lupin ultimately listened to Harry, 
> while Snape wasn't only completely unwilling to do so, but also 
>  belittled Harry (and James Potter again, but I'm willing to cut 
him  
> some slack there.)<
> 
> Pippin:
> Snape is quite right, though very rude, in conveying that  Harry 
> doesn't understand the situation.  Harry doesn't know that Snape 
> was Dumbledore's spy on the Death Eaters; he doesn't even 
> know what a Death Eater *is* at this point and he's not at all 
> savvy about fighting them. Though he knows intellectually that 
> he's hardly a match for a full grown dark wizard, he still thinks 
> he's safe enough with his wand in his possession, though Lupin 
> has already charmed it away from him once. 

Renee:
Irrelevant, as Lupin is tied up and gagged and Sirius doesn't have a 
wand. Snape, who has a wand and freedom of speech and movement, has 
the upper hand. He could have listened. He could have tried to lift 
the "confundus", if he believed Lupin & Sirius cast it on the Trio. 
But he's a little too eager to turn Black and the werewolf in. 
   
Pippin   
> But though Snape threatened to MAKE Harry get out of the way, 
> he ultimately did listen to him,  because he didn't give Sirius to 
> the dementors when he had the chance.

Renee:
I bet he did that because he needed to prove HE was the one who 
caught Black. Not to mention the fact that by the time he reached 
Sirius and Harry, Future!Harry's Patronus had driven the Dementors 
away. (I won't speculate about Snape's ability to cast a corporeal 
Patronus when faced with dozens of Dementors.) 

Pippin: 
> And though Snape was not particularly happy with Dumbledore's 
> decision to trust Sirius,  he ultimately accepted it, as shown by 
> the handshake in GoF.

Renee:
Did he have a choice, if he wanted to remain in DD's good graces?