Favorite Snape Scenes - He's such a lovely professor, no really.
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Sat Jan 22 23:35:28 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 122729
> <snip>
> Pippin:
> Sirius, in contrast, still thought Snape deserved to
> > have been bitten by the werewolf. Snape might perhaps be
> > forgiven for thinking Sirius unrepentant.
>
> Renee:
> He might, perhaps, if he'd heard Lupin out and still remained
> unconvinced. The problem is that he doesnt. What if DD,
knowing Snape was a Death Eater, hadn't listened when Snape
showed up but immediately handed him over to the
authorities?<
Pippin:
I didn't notice Dumbledore reading Fake!Moody his rights before
stunning him and dosing him with veritaserum. Snape isn't
nearly as powerful as Dumbledore, he doesn't have backup, he
doesn't have a bottle of veritaserum handy and he's
outnumbered in a hostage situation.
> Renee:
> Irrelevant, as Lupin is tied up and gagged and Sirius doesn't
have a wand. Snape, who has a wand and freedom of speech
and movement, has the upper hand. He could have listened. <
Pippin:
Um, how could Snape listen to Lupin if Lupin was gagged? If
Snape ungags Lupin, he's in danger of being spellbound
himself. Sirius has just admitted to knowing an illegal wandless
spell, and has already taken three armed students hostage with
it. ( Snape knows perfectly well that Harry didn't leave the I-cloak
behind for his convenience. Harry wouldn't have abandoned it if
he had a choice.)
We have no canon that Snape knows how to lift a confundus
charm.
.
>
> Pippin
> > But though Snape threatened to MAKE Harry get out of the
way, he ultimately did listen to him, because he didn't give
Sirius to the dementors when he had the chance.<<
>
> Renee:
> I bet he did that because he needed to prove HE was the one
who caught Black.<
Pippin:
Um, I'm confused. You're saying Snape sincerely meant to turn
Sirius and Lupin over to the dementors when he threatened to
do it in the Shack, but had second thoughts later and decided to
bring Sirius to the castle instead? May I borrow a leaf from Neri's
book and ask how we are to know?
Renee:
> Not to mention the fact that by the time he reached Sirius and
Harry, Future!Harry's Patronus had driven the Dementors away.
(I won't speculate about Snape's ability to cast a corporeal
Patronus when faced with dozens of Dementors.) <
Pippin:
Again, I'm not sure how this relates to Snape's earlier threat to
turn Sirius and Lupin over to the dementors. Was he making an
empty threat before, or not?
> Pippin:
> > And though Snape was not particularly happy with
Dumbledore's decision to trust Sirius, he ultimately accepted it,
as shown by the handshake in GoF.<<
>
> Renee:
> Did he have a choice, if he wanted to remain in DD's good
graces?
Pippin:
Considering that remaining in DD's good graces at that point
means doing something at considerable risk, he must want to
remain in DD's good graces rather badly. This is something I
don't really understand about the "Snape isn't really on the side
of good, he's out for himself" theories. Just what is Snape
supposed to be out for? He's a clever wizard who knows a potion
that feigns death -- he wouldn't have to join DD just to get shut of
Voldie. If Snape doesn't care whether the good guys win, what is
he after?
Pippin
More information about the HPforGrownups
archive