Favorite Snape Scenes - He's such a lovely professor, no really.

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Sat Jan 22 23:35:28 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 122729



> <snip>
> Pippin:
> Sirius, in contrast, still thought Snape deserved to 
> > have been bitten by the werewolf. Snape might perhaps be 
> > forgiven for thinking Sirius unrepentant.
> 
> Renee:
> He might, perhaps, if he'd heard Lupin out and still remained 
> unconvinced. The problem is that he doesnt. What if DD, 
knowing  Snape was a Death Eater, hadn't listened when Snape 
showed up but  immediately handed him over to the 
authorities?<

Pippin:
I didn't notice Dumbledore reading Fake!Moody his rights before 
stunning him and dosing him with veritaserum. Snape isn't 
nearly as powerful as Dumbledore, he doesn't have backup, he 
doesn't have a bottle of veritaserum handy and he's 
outnumbered in a  hostage situation. 

> Renee:
> Irrelevant, as Lupin is tied up and gagged and Sirius doesn't 
have a  wand. Snape, who has a wand and freedom of speech 
and movement, has  the upper hand. He could have listened. <

Pippin:
Um, how could Snape listen to Lupin if Lupin was gagged? If 
Snape ungags Lupin, he's in danger of being spellbound 
himself. Sirius has just admitted to knowing an illegal wandless 
spell, and has already taken three armed students hostage with 
it. ( Snape knows perfectly well that Harry didn't leave the I-cloak 
behind for his convenience. Harry wouldn't have abandoned it if 
he had a choice.) 

We have no canon that Snape knows how to lift a confundus 
charm.
. 
>    
> Pippin   
> > But though Snape threatened to MAKE Harry get out of the 
way,  he ultimately did listen to him,  because he didn't give 
Sirius to  the dementors when he had the chance.<<
> 
> Renee:
> I bet he did that because he needed to prove HE was the one 
who  caught Black.<

Pippin:
Um, I'm confused. You're saying Snape sincerely meant to turn 
Sirius and Lupin over to the dementors when he threatened to 
do it in the Shack, but had second thoughts later and decided to 
bring Sirius to the castle instead? May I borrow a leaf from Neri's 
book and ask how we are to  know?


Renee:

> Not to mention the fact that by the time he reached  Sirius and 
Harry, Future!Harry's Patronus had driven the Dementors  away. 
(I won't speculate about Snape's ability to cast a corporeal 
 Patronus when faced with dozens of Dementors.) <

Pippin:
Again, I'm not sure how this relates to Snape's earlier threat to 
turn Sirius and Lupin over to the dementors. Was he making an 
empty threat before, or not?
 
> Pippin: 
> > And though Snape was not particularly happy with 
Dumbledore's  decision to trust Sirius,  he ultimately accepted it, 
as shown by  the handshake in GoF.<<
> 
> Renee:
> Did he have a choice, if he wanted to remain in DD's good 
graces?

Pippin:
Considering that remaining in DD's good graces at that  point 
means doing something at considerable risk, he must want to 
remain in DD's good graces rather badly. This is something I 
don't really understand about the "Snape isn't really on the side 
of good, he's out for himself" theories.  Just what is Snape 
supposed to be out for? He's a clever wizard who knows a potion 
that feigns death -- he wouldn't have to join DD just to get shut of 
Voldie. If Snape doesn't care whether the good guys win, what is 
he after?

Pippin








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