Dumbledore's serious errors & what did he do to make up for it/Harry's trust.
horridporrid03
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Tue Jan 25 01:53:59 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 122937
>>Betsy:
>Has Dumbledore been wrong time and again? He *was* fooled by Crouch!
Moody, and the big reveal in OotP is that puppetmaster!Dumbledore is
a myth (thank God!) but Harry is still alive, still learning, and
Voldemort has paid dearly for every step forward he's made, because
of Dumbledore's actions.<
>>Finwitch:
>Or despite of them. Dumbledore *has* erred several times...
>PS: Dumbledore erred to follow a fake letter, supposedly from the
Ministry. As result, Harry feels compelled to go down there and
attempt to rescue the stone. Harry nearly dies, and was barely saved
by his Mother's love-you-enough-to-die-for-you-mark on his skin. Of
course, Dumbledore came back just early enough to help Harry into the
hospital wing.<
Betsy:
Was the letter fake? Harry guesses it is, but no one confirms this.
Why write a fake letter when it's well known that Dumbledore is
always being called on by the Minister for assistance? Plus, if the
letter was a fake the timeline gets a little fishy. Or Dumbledore
took his sweet time getting back to the school.
And Harry was *not* saved by his skin. His skin hurt Quirrell, but
Quirrell was still alive when Harry was passing out. If Dumbledore
hadn't arrived when he did, it's very possible that Harry would've
died that night. At the very least, Voldemort would have the stone.
>>Finwitch:
>CoS: Well, there was the whole Flying-car fiasco, and Dumbledore's
error in assuming that he'd have no choice but to expel the two if
they ever did something against the rules... well, I don't know if
sending Hedwig had worked - who says Dobby couldn't have intercepted
it? He DID take all letters Ron&Hermione had sent to Harry, after
all.<
Betsy:
Dumbledore is not omniscient. He does not know what's going on in
every part of the WW at every point in time. And are you seriously
suggesting that the headmaster of a school *not* encourage his
students to follow school rules?
>>Finwitch:
>The more dangerous error, however, was hiring Lockhart - this fraud
WAS causing danger-- he nearly turned Ron&Harry into not much more
than someone KISSED BY DEMENTOR would be near the end, before he
removed Harry's bones, set pixies loose etc. <snip>
Betsy:
I'll let Hagrid answer this one: "[Lockhart] was the *on'y* man for
the job," said Hagrid [...] "An' I mean the *on'y* one. Gettin' very
difficult ter find anyone fer the Dark Arts job. People aren't too
keen ter take it on, see. They'er startin' to think it's jinxed."
(CoS p. 115 Scholastic paperback) The emphisis is Hagrid's and he
makes it clear that Dumbledore had no choice. Also he had only 2
months (I think?) to fill the position, so he didn't have tons of
time to search. Lockhart is an incompetent but pixies and broken or
even removed bones are more a nuisance in the WW than an actual
danger.
It was Harry and Ron who chose to force Lockhart into the bowels of
Hogwarts with them. Hopefully they learned how dangerous a man can
become when his back is pushed against a wall.
>>Finwitch:
>PoA: This one reveals several errors shared by Dumbledore & every
single teacher/adult except for Sirius & the pet-shop worker so far
as we can tell: believing Sirius betrayed James, despite of knowing
how close they were. Not noticing anything odd about Ron's rat -
living so long, lacking a finger... but most importantly, that of not
giving Sirius a chance to defend himself (which becomes clearer in
the GoF, but is presented here). Snape in particular is guilty of not
listening to the truth of Peter Pettigrew. What happens: Harry almost
gets Kissed by a Dementor, if not for Hermione's TimeTurner, and the
Patronus Harry could now produce, thinking that he'd go live with
Sirius... Oh well, at least Dumbledore gives Sirius a chance NOW -
the chance he should have given him 12 years ago. No wonder Harry
doesn't trust Snape. Not after the Events in the Shrieking Shack.<
Betsy:
I'll ignore the stuff about Snape (I've said it all before I think!
<g>) to concontrate on Dumbledore here. First, again you seem to
think Dumbledore should be an omniscient god. You honestly take him
to task for not checking every single pet that crosses Hogwarts'
doors? And as pointed out in other posts, the Sirius affair was
Crouch's baby, not Dumbledore's.
Plus, Dumbledore was the one who suggested Hermione use her time-
turner, told her how far back in time to go, and gave the hint that
she and Harry could save two lives that night. Sirius owes his life
to Dumbledore. If he hadn't thought so quickly, Sirius would have
been a zombie for the rest of the series. (If he lived that long.)
>>Finwitch:
>GoF: Dumbledore failed to recognise fake!Moody (and only got it
after Harry got himself out of danger once into danger again).
Result: BC Jr. turns the goblet into a portkey, leading directly to
the death of Cedric Diggory, and Harry's battle against Voldemort.<
Betsy:
Again, Dumbledore is not a god. However, you have to give him credit
for realizing so quickly who the Voldemort insider was and getting to
Harry before Crouch!Moody could kill him. Dumbledore also denied
Voldemort a very loyal, powerful, and clever servant.
>>Finwitch:
>OOP: All that 'don't tell Harry anything'- crap, along with keeping
Harry at distance. Also, having Harry stay at the Dursleys (with
watchers) all Summer was an error that may have caused the loss of
Harry (AND Dudley) to Dementors sent by Dolores Umbridge. Plus it
lessened available resources. Wouldn't it have been more beneficial
and effective to have Harry stay at the 12 Grimmauld Place earlier?<
Betsy:
This is the one time when Dumbledore willfully makes a bad call. He
knows Harry. He should have realized how much Harry would resist
being kept out of the loop. But Dumbledore wanted to keep Harry safe
and off the battle field. He was wrong, but I understand why he made
the mistake he made.
But as to the Dursleys, if Dumbledore had not sent Harry back to
them, it would have nullified the protection their home offers.
There are few places where Harry is completely safe from Voldemort.
The Dursley home may be the only one. Dumbledore would have been
foolish to give up that protection (that Lily paid so dearly for) so
easily.
Betsy, who wrote an answer to this earlier that was stunning in its
brilliance, but you'll have to take her word for it because Yahoo ate
it. =(
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