McG / DD / Re: Why should Harry be expected to listen to anyone at H

[lupinlore]

No: HPFGUIDX 123070


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> 
>  
> Gerry:
> I'm sorry but I'm not into political correctness. I meant exactly 
> what I said, and will do so again in the future. Good and nice are 
> not the same thing. Sometimes the good thing is nasty, and the nice 
> thing is bad for you. Those detentions were a very good thing, in 
> themselves. Not something 'horrible but with some good coming out of 
> it.' They were his wake up call. No matter how unpleasant and nasty 
> they were, they made him finally understand how dangerous his 
> situation really was, what the real danger he had been in before had 
> not managed to. Apparently he needed a more hands on experience with 
> injustice and pain to get that message across, and the detentions 
> did that job quite nicely. Since the detentions he actually 
> understands what Umbridge is capable of, and with what she can get 
> away with.
> 
> 
> Alla: 
> 
> Basically you are saying that being tortured with the blood quill 
> was a very good thing for Harry, in itself, correct?
> 
> Please forgive me for asking you to clarify again, but I would like 
> to be sure.
> 


Lupinlore:  Yes, I'm still interested in that one, too.  I'm also
really hoping that is precisely what you DO NOT mean.

> 
> Gerry:
> Well, Maybe because this teacher is actively looking for ways to get
> him expelled. Which means losing his wand and thus most of his magic.
> Which is a really bad thing if he wants to be able continue fighting
> Voldemort.
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> 
> Judging by the last pages of OOP, I am NOT sure at all, that Harry 
> wants to continue to fight Voldemort. Do you think he is obligated 
> to save WW?
> 
> 
> 
>  Alla wrote earlier :
> I think that text does not encourage "submission" to Umbridge 
> either. We clearly see at the end  that Fred and George resistance 
> is approved by all teachers and they are greeted as heroes.
> I admire that Harry stood up to Umbridge. He did what good person is 
> supposed to do when faced with evil, IMO.
> 
> 
> Gerry: 
> snip.
> 
> Harry is a minor, and therefore subject to the department of underage
> magic. He cannot quit Hogwarts, without losing his place in the
> magical world. And if the prophecy is correct, deliver the magical
> world to Voldemort in the process.
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Same question. Why does Harry have a duty to save WW? I am not 
> talking about metathinking look at all - because Harry is the hero 
> of the story, etc. I am asking why Harry who does not know that he 
> is the main character in the books has a duty to save WW, who , IMO 
> treats him quite horribly from times to times.

Lupinlore:  I also agree very strongly with this point.  Why on Earth
should Harry be expected to save the WW after they allow him to be
abused in this fashion?


Lupinlore