McG / DD / Re: Why should Harry be expected to listen to anyone at H

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No: HPFGUIDX 123095


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin"
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> 

> 
> Of course Umbridge's actions were morally wrong – I never
> understood Gerry to be saying that they weren't. But the effect
> on Harry (making him realise that some methods of opposing Umbridge 
> were counter-productive) were good ('beneficial' – if you need it
> spelling out again).
> 
> Dung
> (Hoping she hasn't misrepresented Gerry.)

And yet Gerry REPEATEDLY rejects just that very option.  That is, Alla
and I have time and again expressed agreement that some good for Harry
came out of the detentions, but that the detentions themselves and in
themselves remain EVIL.  And yet time and again Gerry rejects that
option to argue that the detentions are GOOD.  Now, we would simply
want to know this, is Gerry saying:

1) The detentions are GOOD in themselves
2)  The detentions are EVIL in themselves, but GOOD for Harry comes
from them

Again and again, Dungrollin, you seem to argue that Gerry means #2, to
which Alla and I reply that we have no objection to that.  Gerry,
however, seems to be extraordinarily determined to insist upon #1 and
to specifically deny the interpretation that you, I, and everyone else
seems to be making.

Lupinlore