Time Turner...(TT during PoA)

[quigonginger]

No: HPFGUIDX 123188


Sandra wrote: (lots of snippage)
I can't get past the original loop hole, ie that 
> Harry can't save himself in the way JKR described. His first time 
line reaches 
> a bad conclusion with the Dementors so there's just no way he can 
be in a 
> position to stop it from happening because he doesn't survive to 
get there. 

Ginger: 
Sandra, I don't know if this will help or not, but when trying to 
keep all that happened that night straight in my mind, it helps to 
think of the second Harry and Hermione as different people.  Imagine 
them as Harvey and Helen who appeared on the scene at 6:00 with the 
knowledge of what Harry and Hermione would think, say and do in the 
next 3 hours.  

In other words, don't think of going back in time at all.  Just take 
the events in chronological order; not as the book happened, but as 
time happened.

Harvey and Helen appear and wait outside Hagrid's house.  Harry and 
Hermione and Ron go to Hagrid's.  They see Beaky and leave.  Harvey 
and Helen rescue Beaky.  Harry, Hermione and Ron go into the 
Shreiking Shack.  Harvey and Helen hang out and wait.  Harry and 
Hermione head to the lake, face the dementors, and Harvey saves 
Harry.  Harvey and Helen save Sirius.  Harry and Hermione wake up in 
the infirmery, and all is well.  Harvey and Helen dissappear.    

It makes complete sense that way.  It is when you throw in the time-
turning thing that it all boggles up. 

To make it easier, think of yourself walking down the street.  You 
cross, and a car comes barrelling at you.  A stranger grabs you and 
knocks you out of harm's way.  A good ending, right?  Now, if the 
stranger is you, then you know you will have to time turn.  There is 
no other option as it has already happened.  If you don't time-turn, 
things would have happened differently.  And you'd be dead.  Since 
you're not dead, you must time-turn.  The question is how, not if.
That's where the headaches come in.

Some people argue that there is no freedom of will or choice in this 
scenerio, but it is a choice that you will make in the future.  You 
are just already aware of what you will choose.

I hope this makes things easier for you, although I have a feeling I 
may have muddied things by adding the last two paragraphs.  Feel free 
to ignore them should you feel a headache coming on.
 
Cheers, and the painkiller of your choice, Ginger