Time Turner...Harry2 Arrived at 6pm

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 123210


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger"
<quigonginger at y...> wrote:
> 
> Sandra wrote: (lots of snippage)
> I can't get past the original loop hole, ie that  Harry can't save 
> himself in the way JKR described. His first time line reaches 
> > a bad conclusion with the Dementors so there's just no way he can 
> > be in a position to stop it from happening because he doesn't 
> > survive to  get there. 
> 
> Ginger: 
> Sandra, I don't know if this will help or not, but when trying to 
> keep all that happened that night straight in my mind, it helps to 
> think of the second Harry and Hermione as different people.  Imagine 
> them as Harvey and Helen who appeared on the scene at 6:00 with the 
> knowledge of what Harry and Hermione would think, say and do in the 
> next 3 hours.  
> 
> In other words, don't think of going back in time at all.  Just take 
> the events in chronological order; not as the book happened, but as 
> time happened.
> 
> ...edited out examples....
> 
> I hope this makes things easier for you, although I have a feeling I 
> may have muddied things by adding the last two paragraphs.  Feel 
> free to ignore them should you feel a headache coming on.
>  
> Cheers, and the painkiller of your choice, Ginger

bboyminn:

It's well known that I am with Ginger on this issue. If you want to
get rid of your headache or at least, reduce it to a managable level
then you have to drop the idea that time happened twice.

Let's examine that. Think about the first time through the time loop.
Harry WAS save; the Dementors didn't get him. That IS a fact; that IS
history; that IS the book's account of the first time through the loop.

The second time through the loop, we don't find out WHAT, because we
already have an account of what happened, instead we find out HOW. And
the HOW is that Harry#2 arrived into the timeline at 6pm. He save
himself, not because he left at midnight, but because he arrived at 6pm.

As I said in my other response to this post, it's not time that
happens twice, it's Harry that happens twice.

Date:  Mon Jan 24, 2005  7:11 pm
Subject:  Re: That Time Turner...3x1=3 and 3x1=3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/122933

Also remember, that the brightest minds in the world still get a
headache when they try to resolve time travel, and that is because, no
matter how smart you are, time travel still creates unresolvable
paradoxes.

So, don't focus on when Harry left the timeline; focus on when Harry#2
arrived in the Universal Timeline.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn