Harry's bit of Voldy (apologies to Snow)

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No: HPFGUIDX 123332


Dungrollin:
Could be, could be... I found what I was looking for in the archives
(from not so long ago, actually), and it wasn't Carol's theory, it
was from Snow – sorry Snow, I've got a memory like a ... a ...
wossname. It starts at post 121617 "Satellite!Harry". See, I'm
liking this theory very much, but I'm afraid it's just not quite
neat enough to completely convince me.

Snow:

I had a feeling from your last post that you may have been talking 
about that thread. It's no wonder you couldn't remember exactly who 
it was with something like 130,000 posters and yet you came very 
close with remembering Carol was involved in the discussion and 
succeeded in finding it. I think that defiantly says quite a lot for 
your ability to remember as well as to maneuver through the dreaded 
Yahoomort. Hat's off to you, well done. 


Dungrollin: 

There are hints that Voldy did torture and kill Bertha and *didn't*
possess Wormtail to do it –

<snipped some examples of canon that I'm not replying to>

GoF, chapter 33: The Death Eaters. Voldy says:
"... but the means I used to break the Memory Charm upon her were
powerful, and when I had extracted all useful information from her,
her mind and body were both damaged beyond repair. She had now
served her purpose. I could not possess her. I disposed of her
[...] Wormtail's body, of course, was ill-adapted for possession, as
all assumed him dead, and would attract far too much attention if
seen."

Snow:

I believe Voldemort is talking future tense when he says that 
Wormtail's body was ill adept for possession because he explains in 
what context his body is ill adapted; "as all assumed him dead, and 
would attract far too much attention if seen." It is the *if seen* 
part of the statement that allows me to believe that Wormtail's body 
was not entirely ill adept, it was only useful to Voldemort where no 
one could see Wormtail; like in the woods of Albania torturing 
Bertha. 

Dungrollin:

Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that Voldy didn't possess
Wormtail briefly in order to torture and kill Bertha, but Voldy also
says:

"Wormtail was able to follow the instructions I gave him, which
would return me to a rudimentary, weak body of my own, a body I
would be able to inhabit while awaiting the essential ingredients
for true rebirth [...] a potion concocted from unicorn blood, and
the snake venom Nagini provided ... I was soon returned to an almost
human form, and strong enough to travel."

Which suggests that he became Voldy!baby in Albania before making
his way back to England. (It also suggests, by the way, that Nagini
was in Albania with him). And we know for sure that as Voldy!baby
he can cast an AK, because he kills Frank Bryce. So it's quite
possible that it was Voldy!baby, rather than Wormtail who tortured
and killed Bertha.

Snow:

Aha
except Voldemort speaks of this event happening after his 
realization that he could not possess Bertha. Therefore I conclude 
that the concoction made to turn Vapormort into Babymort happened 
after the torture of Bertha, which still allows for the scenario that 
Voldemort had possessed Wormtail for the interrogation of Bertha. 
Voldemort was using Wormtail's abilities under this possession (not 
his own) to torture Bertha, which would not have therefore been scar 
seeringly eventful for Harry.  

Dungrollin:


And finally, GoF, chapter 35: Veritaserum,
"It was very quick. My father was placed under the Imperius curse
by my master. My master forced him to go about his business as
usual..."

It could be argued that Barty Crouch is saying "my master" when what
he means is "my master ordered Wormtail to...", except that after
that he changes to:

"You needed Alastor Moody," said Dumbledore. His blue eyes were
blazing, though his voice remained calm.
[Crouch replies] "Wormtail and I did it."

So I see no reason to disbelieve Barty Crouch's implication that
Voldy!baby was using magic (particularly as he was under Veritaserum
at the time), that he used the Imperius curse on Crouch senior; but
Harry didn't feel his scar hurt when it happened.

Snow:

Two separate circumstances. The first quote applies to Crouch Sr., 
which could have been Voldemort possessing Wormtail at the time, 
whereas the second quote is about putting Moody under the Imperius, 
which could have been Wormtail without his possession buddy. It is 
rather like the instances with Quirrel and Quirrelmort, sometimes he 
feels like a nut sometimes he don't. In other words, Vapormort wasn't 
always possessing Quirrel either. 


Dungrollin:

If Voldy now has Harry's powers that should include the power 
that "the Dark Lord knows not", which would either have killed him 
because it's
incompatible with general Voldyness, or would mean he shouldn't have
had any difficulties in possessing Harry in the MoM. 

Snow:

As I see it Voldy is only accessing *his old powers* through Harry so 
he is not actually sharing all of the powers that Harry possesses. On 
the other hand Harry does, through this connection, have some use of 
the only power that Voldemort himself actually retained and that is 
the possession factor. I have to say some use of it because Harry did 
not actually possess the snake in the MOM but did view from inside 
the possession. Like I had said in one of the Satellite!Harry posts, 
this was the time in which Voldemort became aware of Harry's 
presence. It was the fact that Harry was now accessing a power that 
was not bequeathed to Harry that allowed Voldemort to sense Harry's 
presence. 


It makes perfect sense to me and yet it is getting quite lonely on my 
own little boat with a crew of one. There is a bright side to this 
though, that makes me captain. 

Snow