Imperius and Occlumency - Another Perspective

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 123354



Charme wrote:
<snipped some points I agree with>
>It appears Snape does get upset/angry/annoyed when he sees Harry's
memory of Cedric,  Harry appears to have a vision (like that of the
DoM) that Snape *can't or doesn't* seem to see completely, and then
when Harry pokes his nose in the Pensieve. The latter I feel isn't
because of the memory Harry saw, but the possibility Snape sees
Harry's actions as "breaking the rules" yet again, only this time he
breaks the rules where Snape is directly affected. The first, Harry's
memory of Cedric, leads Snape to believe Harry isn't taking this
effort of Occlumency as serious as Snape.

Carol responds:
I'm pretty sure that Snape does see this scene clearly and is angry
because Harry is "handing him weapons," letting him see scenes that
are extremely painful for him (and that he has refused to talk about
with anyone else, though snape doesn't know this). I think his anger
results from what he know that Voldemort could do with such painful
memories if he found them in Harry's mind. I do agree that Snape is
angry because Harry isn't taking Occlumency seriously, but it goes
deeper than that IMO. (Why do you think Snape can't see the memories?
Why would he be upset about Harry seeing Cedric's dead body if he
can't see it, too? And how, if he can't see the memories as Harry
does, can he recognize Rookwood and ask what "that man and that room"
are doing in Harry's mind?)

Charme wrote:
>  The DoM vision Harry has interests me most: Snape doesn't see what
Harry does in that instance, and only understands what was in Harry's
vision when Harry is vocalizing his realization and asks Snape about
the DoM. Snape even asks Harry why he would ask about the DoM, when I
would think Snape would know what Harry saw if he'd seen it too. <snip>

Carol responds:
Again, I interpret this scene a bit differently. Harry is not reliving
his dream here. It's a real memory of his walk down the corridor to
the courtroom with Mr. Weasley. There's no indication that Snape
doesn't see the same corridor, Mr. Weasley and all, but there's
nothing in that memory that Snape would have reason to react to. But
Harry should *not* know that the same corridor leads to the Department
of Mysteries, the very place that the Order members have been
guarding. Snape doesn't yet know about Harry's dream. That's why, 
when Harry asks, "What's in the Department of Mysteries?" Snape reacts
with astonishment. "*What* did you say?" Neither of them has seen the
Department of Mysteries in that memory, only the corridor leading to
the courtroom, but Harry has just recognized the corridor he actually
walked down as the same one that appears in the dream he's been
having. And that, for Order Member!Snape, is a shocking revelation.

Carol