[HPforGrownups] Re: Imperius and Occlumency - Another Perspective

[Charme]

No: HPFGUIDX 122845

>> Julie says:
>> ... it could explain one thing that bothered me about Snape's
>> reaction. WHY was he so angry that Harry saw this scene of the
>> Marauders bullying him? <snip nstead Snape is furious. But is he furious 
>> that Harry
>> witnessed his humiliation, or furious that Harry's action may have
>> put both their lives further at risk?
>
> bboyminn:
>
<snip>


> Example, Snape says Harry can use any means or method to defend
> himself, but gives Harry no suggestions as to effective means or
> methods of doing so. Harry was just left to work it out on his own in
> the heat of the moment.
>
<snip>

> All that said, of course, Snape would never do any of that because JKR
> needed the story to go in the direction it did. She need Harry to do
> poorly at it, she needed Snape to be nasty, and she ultimately needed
> Harry to look into the Pensieve and see what he saw.
>
> Regarding Snape's reaction, certainly and logically, his first and
> foremost reaction would be regarding himself and his humiliation. No
> one ever wants to be humiliated, and certainly don't want other people
> to find out about it.


Charme:

DD says that the reason he didn't teach Harry himself was because of the 
risk of Harry's open mind allowing LV to gain understanding that DD and 
Harry's relationship were more than headmaster and pupil and that this would 
provoke LV to try to "possess" Harry, a vulnerability DD didn't want for LV 
to exploit.  That being said, I think Snape approached his "job" in the best 
way he could to benefit Harry:  by being as difficult as Harry has already 
experienced LV to be.  Isn't one of the strengths for Harry is that he 
thinks on his feet?  Fake!Moody certainly didn't tell Harry how to throw off 
the Imperius curse, and yet Harry did so and Snape had been informed as much 
as he mentions it during their first Occulmency lesson.

To me, Snape actually gives Harry grudging (in his own snarky, critical way) 
credit for the Stinging Hex he reacts with the first time the Legilmens is 
placed on him, and doesn't appear to be overly upset with Harry when Harry's 
Shield Charm results in Harry seeing some of  Snape's own memories. It 
appears Snape does get upset/angry/annoyed when he sees Harry's memory of 
Cedric,  Harry appears to have a vision (like that of the DoM) that Snape 
*can't or doesn't* seem to see completely, and then when Harry pokes his 
nose in the Pensieve. The latter I feel isn't because of the memory Harry 
saw, but the possibility Snape sees Harry's actions as "breaking the rules" 
yet again, only this time he breaks the rules where Snape is directly 
affected. The first, Harry's memory of Cedric, leads Snape to believe Harry 
isn't taking this effort of Occlumency as serious as Snape.  The DoM vision 
Harry has interests me most: Snape doesn't see what Harry does in that 
instance, and only understands what was in Harry's vision when Harry is 
vocalizing his realization and asks Snape about the DoM. Snape even asks 
Harry why he would ask about the DoM, when I would think Snape would know 
what Harry saw if he'd seen it too. Probably would be pretty unnerving for 
the Potions Master, since while he gives us all the air he's "in command" 
and very self assured of his magical abilities - unless it has to do with 
LV. That DoM "vision" (and the one about Rookwood) I think falls under the 
LV category, doesn't it?

Given DD's concerns in my first paragraph, I imagine Snape knew that by 
performing the Occlumency lessons with Harry,  he was playing with fire and 
could get burned by LV in the process if he's really spying for the Order. 
And I also think that's why I agree with what Juli inferred:  each time one 
of those "visions" Harry has during Occulmency relative to the LV category 
puts Snape himself at risk.

Charme