[HPforGrownups] Re: Peter, Sirius, or Lupin: who was the spy again?

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 131775



>  > Why was a servent of LV *meeting* *Sirius* in front of J&L's house?
   > TK -- TigerPatronus

>  Chris wote:
>    I don't think JKR meant it to be any indication that Sirius was
> once going to be the spy. My guess is Pyrites was a person that Sirius
> would have confronted after the Potters' deaths who was still
> lingering aroung Godric's Hollow. This probably would have replaced
> Hagrid's falshback in PoA when he remembers meeting and comforting
> Sirius, then retrieving the flying motorcylce to go and rescue Harry.
>    However, it does beg the question. Why would this storyline have
> been cut simply because Peter eventually became the spy in her
> writing? Who would have been the spy? I don't see Sirius as the spy,
> at all, ever. This would have blown half of the themes Harry has dealt
> with right out of the mix. Sirius as father-figure and brother. Sirius
> as adult who can't grow up. Sirius as bad angel/negative conscience to
> Harry. All of these themes would have been up in smoke.
> 
> Just MHO,
> Chris

   Kathy writes:
        I have to do it, I just have to.  Can't help myself.

   1.  Sirius sneaked into the castle and carved up a painting with a 
knife looking for Harry. Is this normal behaviour.  Why do people 
forgive and forget about it?

   2.  Sirius was the one who grabbed Harry and choked him in the 
Shrieking Shack.

   3.  Sirius was the one who attempted to manipulate Harry into doing 
something that for once he had the good sense to not want to do.  He 
used Harry's father as a pressure point.

   4.  Sirius appears to be as competant a duelist as Snape, perhaps 
more so.  Sirius is meaner than Snape and even more ready to get into a 
fight. Spies have got to be capable.  He is diametrically opposed to 
Snape and yet very similar.

   5.  The second prophecy said that the servant had been "chained" for 
twelve years.  To me this speaks more of Sirius than it does Peter. 
Peter was hiding, not incarcerated.

   6.  Sirius speaks of conversations of Deatheaters in Azkaban about 
what they wanted to do to Peter.  When would he be in a position to hear 
about it.

   7.  Fudge gave the newspaper to Sirius with the picture of Peter in 
it  that Sirius recognized.Why would he bother visiting Sirius?????

   8.  Sirius hosed Peter into making a "confession" which was very 
carefully written by JKR, in my opinion to be ambiguous.  Peter admitted 
to giving up the Potters' but Sirius was the one who set Peter up as the 
Secret Keeper on the basis that he would be less likely to be considered 
as such by Voldemort. Sirius wanted Peter dead so that these little 
confusions could never be straightened out.

   9.  Voldemort said that his most faithful servant was at Hogwarts. 
So was Sirius, sitting in the pumpkin patch, while Moody/Crouch made off 
with Harry.

  10.  Bellatrix apparently hit Sirius with a stunning spell.  Sirius 
was a dangerous man, Bellatrix would surely have known that, and yet she 
fired a "red spell", which from other descriptions in the books, must 
have been to stun.  I think Sirius went through the Veil by accident, 
and her "scream of triumph" might well have been more of an "oops".

      I think that the plot would be furthered even more by Harry 
discovering that Sirius, who appeared good, was bad, and in the end will 
force him to Snape, who appears bad, for assistance in the next book. 
Harry can not trust Dumbledor, who makes his choices for  the wrong 
reasons.  Snape has still been the only one in the books who answered 
all of his questions.  A lot of these books seem to deal with trust.

      Another thing that drives me crazy is that it is constantly 
expressed that Sirius loved Harry, and Harry loved Sirius.  They hardly 
had a chance to get to know each other.  Harry on some level knew that 
he could not depend on Sirius for common sense.  He needed Sirius, which 
is different. He took on the guilt for Sirius' death, which caused him 
much more pain than the actual loss of Sirius. I don't think Sirius 
loved Harry either.  He needed Harry to try to regain some of his lost 
years, perhaps.  He also needed to be close to Harry, if he actually was 
the spy.  He needed to make himself important to Harry.

      I think that Lupin suspected him for a reason.  He may still 
suspect him, but as he has done all his life chooses the easy road and 
says nothing.  He does seem to be keeping an eye on him in OOTP. I don't 
think that Lupin had the backbone or the ambition to be the spy, but 
Sirius had the nerve and the skills to pull it off.
IMHO

Go for it, I have my head covered to protect it from flying objects.

KJ