I still hate Ginny Weasley!!!

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 131778

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Laura Ingalls Huntley"
<lhuntley at f...> wrote:
> Luna:
> > I have to step here on behalf of Ginny and Jo. Jo did leave clues 
> > regarding Ginny's personality and strength of character.
> 
> > In COS Ron said she never shuts up. 
> 
> I agree with Phoenixgod and Hickengruendler -- this is not enough. 
> It's not even really that indicative of the personality she
develops 
> in OotP, anyway.  All it says is that she talks a lot, which she
> never really did.

Pippin:
I think development is being confused with exposition. If Ginny
had really changed from a shrinking wallflower to a bold and 
cunning wench, we might  expect to see her doing it. But most of 
the change was in her perception of Harry and Harry's perception
of her. The talks a lot clue tells us that normally she's not 
shy. That's enough for the reader who's paying attention and
has already picked up the flashing neon sign that Ginny is
the first eligible female Harry sees in the WW. That's a 
story-telling formula that has said "potential love interest" since
story-telling began. 

We know she's a powerful witch because as a second year
she made a singing greeting card that nobody could shut up,
though we learn in GoF that that kind of spell wears out
very quickly as a rule. We know she has a sense of humor
because she sent that singing valentine to Harry. We know
she was interested in Quidditch because she went to the QWC...
I can tell you that  I'd have rather gone
shopping with Molly in Diagon Alley any day.

We know that she's not too dainty to steal --she stole
the diary from Harry, and no one ever suspected it was her.
We know she can be deceptive -- look at her saying that
she didn't know the diary was dangerous...balderdash!
She threw it away, didn't she?

They're subtle clues -- but if they were any more obvious,
Harry would look stupid as well as oblivious. Our Harry's
not stupid, but he does have this tendency to take 
people at face value. It's not the first time he's deceived
himself about another person, after all, or did you think
that he could only be wrong about villains?


Laura:
> The thing is, before OotP came out, there were very, very few people
> (at least on this list) who suspected that Ginny was actually 
> KickAss!Girl.  In fact, most Ginny defenders and Harry/Ginny 
> SHIPpers praised Ginny for *not* challenging Harry and being 
> contentious with him.  They argued that Hermione was too quick 
> to point out when Harry was wrong.  They said he needed his 
> life-mate to be someone who wouldn't argue with him all the time
> and who would quietly support and respect him (with dignity, 
> of course) no matter what.

Pippin:
Funny, the way I remember it, anti-H/G shippers were saying Ginny
was just too quiet and wimpy for Harry. And my objection to H/H
was not that Hermione was too quick to point out when Harry was
wrong, but that he never argued with her-- he'd lie. I didn't think
that was a solid foundation for a relationship. I still don't. 

Pippin