Peter, Sirius, or Lupin: who was the spy again?
Chris
labmystc at yahoo.com
Fri Jul 1 12:31:47 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 131798
Kathy writes:
I have to do it, I just have to. Can't help myself.
> 1. Sirius sneaked into the castle and carved up a painting with a
> knife looking for Harry. Is this normal behaviour. Why do people
> forgive and forget about it?
Um, I think Sirius was going after Peterscabbers at the time.
Didn't have a wand, but wanted to kill nonetheless. Frustrated at
being locked up in prison for crime not committed. Not allowed entry
by fat opera singing portrait. Hmmm. I'd be a *little* aggravated
myself and would take out that aggravation on an annoying portrait.
> 2. Sirius was the one who grabbed Harry and choked him in the
> Shrieking Shack.
Sirius had a thirteen year old boy jump on him and try to kill
him with his bare hands. Sirius had been weakened from his stay in
Azkaban. Without strength to simply throw him off, coupled with the
idea at being thwarted in his quest to kill Peter, grabbing Harry
around the neck seemed a likely defense measure. Act first, explain
I'm your godfather, I love you, be more like your father later.
> 3. Sirius was the one who attempted to manipulate Harry into doing
> something that for once he had the good sense to not want to do.
> He used Harry's father as a pressure point.
We've went over and over this. Sirius wanted the fun times he
had with James back. He never got to enjoy his early adulthood, so he
tried to live it vicariously through Harry. Not trying to kill or
maim him, just trying to get a little o' that James magic back.
> 4. Sirius appears to be as competant a duelist as Snape, perhaps
> more so. Sirius is meaner than Snape and even more ready to get
> into a fight. Spies have got to be capable. He is diametrically
> opposed to Snape and yet very similar.
So he has a mean streak, and can fight. This a spy doth make
him? Hmmm. I'm a black belt, have an above average IQ, and our
current U.S. administration disturbs me on a deep level. I must be a
KGB agent. Oh wait, no I'm not! :-) Does anyone else in here wish
Harry would have let Sirius attack Snape? I mean, just a little?
> 5. The second prophecy said that the servant had been "chained"
> for twelve years. To me this speaks more of Sirius than it does
> Peter. Peter was hiding, not incarcerated.
Prophecies are vague, and metaphorical. "Chained" being a
metaphor for: I'm stuck in rat form because I'm scared to death that
everyone blames me for Voldemort's fall. They're going to kill me if
they find out I lived after all. Oh yeah, and I betrayed my bestest
friends in the world, and the one that went to prison is a very
accomplished wizard who could annihilate me with a flick of his wand!"
> 6. Sirius speaks of conversations of Deatheaters in Azkaban about
> what they wanted to do to Peter. When would he be in a position to
> hear about it.
Bellatrix seems kind of mad, and screams a lot. I think the
actual reference from Sirius had screaming in it. He could have heard
this, couldn't he?
> 7. Fudge gave the newspaper to Sirius with the picture of Peter
> in it that Sirius recognized.Why would he bother visiting
> Sirius?????
I don't think he was visiting Sirius, but probably had
business at Azkaban, and happened to pass by Sirius' cell. He's had a
hard time, been a model prisoner, why not let him have a paper? Plus,
everything we know about Fudge shows him to be incompetent. Probably
didn't think anything about a little kindness to an accused
psychopath.
<snipped> Got rid of 8, won't even argue about JKR's *ambiguous*
confession from Peter.
>
> 9. Voldemort said that his most faithful servant was at Hogwarts.
> So was Sirius, sitting in the pumpkin patch, while Moody/Crouch
> made off with Harry.
Hmmm. Dumbledore, McGonagall, BARTY/MOODY, SNAPE, the students?
Could anyone of these be the spy? How about any of the spectators in
the stands for the tournament?
>
> 10. Bellatrix apparently hit Sirius with a stunning spell.
> Sirius was a dangerous man, Bellatrix would surely have known that,
> and yet she fired a "red spell", which from other descriptions in
> the books, must have been to stun. I think Sirius went through the
> Veil by accident, and her "scream of triumph" might well have been
> more of an "oops".
They were dueling, and she could have been throwing any
combination of spells to get him off his guard. Her goal that night
wasn't to kill the Order members, but to retrieve the prophecy. IF
she wanted to kill for the fun of it, she would have killed Neville
to convince Harry to hand over the prophecy instead of merely
torturing him with the Crucio spell. In her duel with Sirius, I'm
sure she was just trying to get away from him. Her scream of triumph
was just that triumph. She defeated Sirius after all.
<snipped> argument about Snape becoming mentor. Blah!
> Another thing that drives me crazy is that it is constantly
> expressed that Sirius loved Harry, and Harry loved Sirius. They
> hardly had a chance to get to know each other.
Harry finds out the one friend of his parents, his godfather, is
still alive. This couldn't lead to instant affection? If we use the
argument that they didn't know each other, we could say the same
thing about Lily and James. Harry was a little baby, and didn't know
his parents either. Should he not love them?
<snip>
> I think that Lupin suspected him for a reason. He may still
> suspect him, but as he has done all his life chooses the easy road
> and says nothing. He does seem to be keeping an eye on him in
> OOTP. I don't think that Lupin had the backbone or the ambition to
> be the spy, but Sirius had the nerve and the skills to pull it off.
Yes, Lupin suspected him. Remember, Lupin had no idea that Sirius
had switched to Peter as secretkeeper. He's keeping an eye on him
because he sees some of Sirius' old behavior, i.e. recklessness,
creeping back in, and he worries he may do something rash. And I
repeat, just because he had the skills doesn't make him the spy.
> Go for it, I have my head covered to protect it from flying objects.
**Wingardium Leviosa** Kathy's house lifts into the air, and flies
at her ala Wicked Witch of the East. :-)
Chris
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