DD the Legilimens vs TR the Occlumens -Skill vs Spell

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 131895

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <pipes814 at y...> wrote:

> 
> > bboyminn:
> > Next, and finally, we don't really know how Legilimency works. 
> > Yes, we have an overview of what it accomplishes, but we don't 
> > have the deep internal details of its nature and mechanics. > 
 
 
>     Jamie:
> I agree with bboyminn; when Snape was using Legilimens on Harry it 
> was like an attack on his brain.  Tom would have noticed something 
> like this.  I think a quick scan to determine truthfulness may not 
> be detected, but that's about it.  
 
 
bboyminn:

This is more of a side note than anything else. I want to remind
everyone that Snapes Legilimens efforts during Harry's Occlumency
lesson are not necessarily the same as the SKILL of Legilimens.

By that I mean, Snape cast the 'Legilimens' SPELL, which is similar to
BUT not the same as the innate inherent internal SKILL of Legilimency.

I have always speculated that the difference was that the Spell gave
you great details, very clear images, but it was very random. Whereas
the Skill of Legilimency can focus on more specific information, but
does so in a more vague and intuitive way. The Spell is clear but
random; the Skill is more specific, but less clear.

Can't prove that, but the Legilimens Spell seems pretty useless for
extracting specific information unless you have great deal of time to
sit and wait for the specific information to come randomly floating
by. Plus, as seen in the Occlumency lesson, the Legilimens Spell seems
 equally useless for truth detection.

Just making a small point re-enforcing how little we know about the
deeper internal workings of Legilimency or Occlumency.

Steve/bboyminn