FakeMoody, Snape, Legilimency, and Motives

[unicorn_72]

No: HPFGUIDX 132143

 "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote<snipped>:

> 
> Why would Snape need to use truth serum to read Harry's mind if he 
is 
> a great mind reader? And did he read Moody's mind during GoF? 

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

I think the reason he threatened Harry with truth serum, was to 
scare Harry into actually being honest, I don't have my book in 
front of me, but doesn't this happen after the incident where they 
are on the staires?

I think Snape still believes Harry was in his office, else why would 
the egg and the map be there? I don't think he realizes Harry was 
actually going helping Snape, to see who was actually snooping in 
his office. I don't think Snape has any way of knowing if Harry was 
in his office or not, he just suspects it.

OK so, why scare Harry with truth serum, well, Snape believes Harry 
doesn't tell him the truth all the time, and actually, Harry 
generally doesn't with Snape. Now, I like Harry, but, he does tend 
to lie to Snape...so, Odds are, if Snape realizes that, then he 
feels he has to scare it out of him.

OK, so why scare him, why not just say, Look I know your lieing make 
it easy on yourself and talk. Well, I'll take my little comparison 
from another movie about Teenagers in School..and its called 
Grease..Oh yes, you say, UNI..how can you compair Harry Potter to 
Grease, well..Snape is...OK..enough joking. I do have a serious 
point to make here.

If anyone has ever watched Grease, one will remember the scene where 
the BOYS MOON the TV camera, in other words they pulled down their 
pants and showed their rears...OK..thats like NOT really all that 
interesting or shocking now adays, but, if we watch the scene 
further, we see the Principal the next day, telling whoever did it 
that they must turn themselves in, and then she tells the whole 
school that The photo's of there bums have been sent to the FBI and 
they know who they are and they must turn themselves in right 
away....well, Obviously that is not true, so, she was trying to 
scare the boys into telling the truth....

OK, so, my real idea is, Snape never intended to use the truth serum 
on Harry, he was actually just trying to scare him....Grease...is 
the word....or..something like that.



> "Meaning what?" Snape turned again to look at Moody, his hands 
still 
> outstretched, inches from Harry's chest.
> 
> "Meaning that Dumbledore's very interested to know who's got it in 
> for that boy!" said Moody, limping nearer still to the foot of the 
> stairs. And so am I, Snape ... very interested...." The torchlight 
> flickered across his mangled face, so that the scars, and the 
> 


 "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote<snipped>:
> 
> It's obvious that Snape was in no way threatened by FakeMoody 
during 
> this conversation until FakeMoody threatened to tell DD about 
Snape's 
> true intentions towards Harry.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Now, I don't know about that, its generally hard to tell, One can 
read this scene quite a few ways, my take on it is at this point in 
the scene:

Roll Scene:
> "'Course Dumbledore trusts you," growled Moody. "He's a trusting 
man, 
> isn't he? Believes in second chances. But me - I say there are 
spots 
> that don't come off, Snape. Spots that never come off, d'you know 
> what I mean?"
> Snape suddenly did something very strange. He seized his left 
forearm 
> convulsively with his right hand, as though something on it had 
hurt 
> him.

CUT SCENE:
OK, to me it looks like Snape had a very real reaction to what Fake 
Moody said, as if he was shocked and scared. I don't see Snape as a 
crying and whippering kind of person. He always seems very tightly 
wound to me, like a spring, and whenever its at the breaking point 
it does something really strange and sudden....meh, or..thats one 
way of looking at it.
Though, your take is very resonable to, they do stare at each other 
a lot, but that can also be seen as a test of wills, sizing up your 
opponit. It just seems like, Snape already knows Moody and they 
might butt heads much like he does with Sirius...but Moody is much 
older, and sometimes Snape appears to have a problem with people his 
own age and younger, and he tends to be more standoffish or willing 
to back off quicker when its someone older or more experienced. Meh, 
thats just one idea I suppose.


 "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote<snipped>:
> 
> I've mentioned this before but what if...
> Snape and Crouch Jr. were both at Neville's parents house when 
they 
> were tortured into insanity? 

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

I don't know, I though the Longbottoms were tortured after Voldemort 
fell??? 
>From Lexicon: Frank and his Alice were captured by Death Eaters 
shortly after the fall of Voldemort (c.1981). They were subjected to 
the Cruciatus Curse in an attempt to force them to tell where the 
defeated Dark Lord had fled to.

I guess that doesn't prove Snape was not there but:
Can someone explain this to me, why would Death Eaters capture them 
to tell them where Voldemort is??? This whole situation doesn't make 
since to me..shouldn't it be the other way around, why would Frank 
and Alice know where Voldemort had when???? Did they think he was 
actually captured?? meh...that doesn't make since to me and I hope 
for clarification in the books. I can see them being tortured 
because the Death Eaters were mad that their boss had been 
defeated...but, the explaination doesn't really make 
since..meh..maybe I'm just missing something.




 "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote<snipped>:
> So, why is Snape always trying to get Harry expelled? Is it 
because Snape cannot use Harry for his own purposes while Harry is 
still at school?

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:
Meh, I don't know if he is always trying to get him expelled, how 
many times has he actually tried to get Harry expelled. I really 
can't remember honestly, someone I'm sure can point that out to me, 
I remember the one where Harry and Ron drove the car...and he said 
something about them being expelled, again, don't have books open, 
so can't remember exactly what Snape said...and I remember something 
from POA...But, is Snape always trying to get Harry Expelled?? If 
I'm to keep an open mind on both characters, then, 9 out of 10 times 
I see Snape harrasing Harry when he is breaking rules, or Snape 
thinks he is breaking rules. While I'm not giving him any credit 
here, sometimes Snape may feel he is right to give his opinion on 
rule breaking to Dumbledore or whoever is above him. Maybe Snape 
takes a very strict view on rules.....Snape...taking a strict 
view..Imagine that! <laughs>

I believe if you said Rules were made to be broken to Snape, he 
would hex you....hehe, but thats just my own personal theory. My 
view on why he may think this way is, maybe as a Slytherin student 
he saw Griffendors like James breaking rules and getting away with 
it, and maybe in his mind it was unfair, even if it was something 
simple, that didn't really hurt anyone. So, his strict 
interpritation of things makes him look quite mean to someone like 
Harry....unlike most of us, we see some situations where Harry needs 
to break rules to help save lives and solve a problem, maybe Snape 
is not able or willing to see things in shades of gray, everything 
may be black and white to him....meh, I don't know. Just a theory.

KarentheUnicorn