ESE!Lupin? (was: Re: Snape is Innocent!)

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Wed Jul 20 20:02:31 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 133574

> 
> Jen: First, I don't understand how if ESE!Lupin isn't confirmed in 
> Book 7 it would still be true. If JKR never follows that particular 
> storyline, it might be plausible given the information in the
books, 
> but it would never be canon.

Pippin:
I was trying to say that ESE!Lupin can't be proven until Book Seven,
but I am 99% confident that it will be. If there isn't unmistakable
canon that Lupin has been involved with Voldemort by then, I
agree, there never will be, and the theory will stand disproved.

Jen: 
> And Book 6 generates more hurdles than support for ESE!Lupin, from 
what I read. The introduction of Fenrir as the werewolf Death Eater
is  in opposition to Lupin in canon. A man who was bitten and chose
to  
turn his trauma into a life of evil actions. 

Pippin:
But Fenrir is just what we'd expect an evil werewolf to be like, and
Jo's villains are seldom so obvious. Anyway, does Fenrir strike you
as someone who was tempted into serving Voldemort by the promise
of rights and freedom? We haven't seen anyone who joined Voldemort
for that reason, yet Lupin and Dumbledore both say it's a danger. 

Jen:
> Whereas Lupin, despite his traumatic childhood and lifetime curse, 
> continues to choose a life of humanity---having friendships,
teaching  others, furthering a cause and, the big leap in this book, 
allowing  himself to be vulnerable through intimate love with another 
person.
> 
> And most of the other werewolves Remus is living amongst have also 
> chosen Voldemort's side over the WW! He calls him 'his equals' but 
> then 'sounded a little bitter'--this isn't work he enjoys or
perhaps even feels is productive. He understands why a person living 
on  the 'margins of society' might choose to side with Voldemort, even
if  he himself hasn't made that choice. He knows it will be very hard
to  persuade them otherwise.

> To find out Lupin is acting like all the rest of the werewolves in 
> Potterverse would be a bit ho-hum.

Pippin:
I think it's a dangerous assumption that most of the werewolves are
on Voldemort's side because they're like Fenrir. They could be on his
side because they're like Lupin -- I mean, all they want is  a chance
to live normal lives and it's just what the WW won't give them. 

Jen:
 It's much more interesting to trace  why he *didn't* chose the path
the others did, and I very much think  DD allowing him to attend
Hogwarts, and his friendship with the  Marauders, very much
influenced Lupin's later choices as outlined above.

Pippin:
I can't say I think much of Lupin's choices.

We know he took dreadful advantage of Dumbledore's trust, let himself
be led through the village in wolf form, knew it was wrong, and yet
allowed it to continue because he couldn't stand up to his friends. He
tells us himself he hasn't changed. He tells us he believed Sirius was
a dark wizard, knew how he might be getting into the castle, and kept
silent. The events in HBP cast a dire light on backward. An odd
way to show your gratitude towards Dumbledore, letting a man who
might want to assasssinate him have access to the castle.

I guess it's a compliment to Jo's talent that she can lay down so
much evidence in plain sight and persuade people to ignore it all.

Pippin
amused






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