ESE!Lupin? (was: Re: Snape is Innocent!)

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 133761

> Pippin:
> I was trying to say that ESE!Lupin can't be proven until Book 
Seven,
> but I am 99% confident that it will be. If there isn't unmistakable
> canon that Lupin has been involved with Voldemort by then, I
> agree, there never will be, and the theory will stand disproved.

Jen: Oh, that makes sense. Misunderstood that point.

> Pippin:
> But Fenrir is just what we'd expect an evil werewolf to be like, 
and
> Jo's villains are seldom so obvious. Anyway, does Fenrir strike you
> as someone who was tempted into serving Voldemort by the promise
> of rights and freedom? We haven't seen anyone who joined Voldemort
> for that reason, yet Lupin and Dumbledore both say it's a danger. 

Jen: Fenrir strikes me as the perfect recruit to the Death Eaters, 
werewolf or no. No moral compass about causing harm and damage to 
others, willingness to continue upping the ante (i.e. starting to 
attack even when no full moon).

I definitely think we have several groups who are interested in 
Voldemort's cause in the hopes they will gain more rights and 
freedoms: goblins, giants and werewolves come to mind most readily. 
DD tells Fudge in GOF he must extend a hand to the giants before 
Voldemort offers them certain rights and freedoms denied by 
wizarding society. Bill indicates in OOTP that the goblins are 
certainly considering who would offer them the better deal and are 
uncertain whether the Order is the way to go.  And in HBP, of 
course, we find out most of the werewolves are joining Voldemort's 
side. 

So the danger DD and Lupin hint at is already very real. We may have 
not seen a specific DE who took this path, but we know the path 
exists in canon.

Jen before: 
> And most of the other werewolves Remus is living amongst have also
> chosen Voldemort's side over the WW! He calls him 'his equals' but
> then 'sounded a little bitter'--this isn't work he enjoys or
> perhaps even feels is productive. He understands why a person
> living on the 'margins of society' might choose to side with
> Voldemort, even if he himself hasn't made that choice. He knows it
> will be very hard to persuade them otherwise.


> Pippin:
> I think it's a dangerous assumption that most of the werewolves are
> on Voldemort's side because they're like Fenrir. They could be on
> his side because they're like Lupin -- I mean, all they want is  a
> chance to live normal lives and it's just what the WW won't give
> them. 

Jen: I've re-read my words and don't understand where I indicated an 
assumption all werewolves are like Fenrir. It's canon that the 
werewolves Lupin is living among are choosing Voldemort's side over 
the Order's. I'm sure their reasons are as many and varied as the 
number of members in the group. It's also canon Lupin does not feel 
he's making headway in converting werewolves to the Order's side 
becuase "it has been difficult gaining their trust." (chap. 16, p. 
334).  My only point was that Lupin understands *why* many of his 
fellow werewolves are choosing to live on the margins of society and 
join Voldemort. He is their equal, but has also lived a very 
different life from most of the other werewolves. He *has* tasted 
freedom in other words. 

And I don't think it's coincidence that Lupin allowed himself to 
love Tonks after Dumbledore died. Ascribe all the sinister meaning 
you want to it, in my mind Lupin was doing penance to Dumbledore for 
his wrongs by completely immersing himself in his work for the 
Order. All 'yes, buts' to Tonks aside, I really believe he was only 
able to open himself up to the happiness of love after he repaid 
Dumbledore the best he could.


> I guess it's a compliment to Jo's talent that she can lay down so
> much evidence in plain sight and persuade people to ignore it all.
> 
> Pippin
> amused

I guess ;). Jen