Valky's confession; The Snape Hater Club

[Lexa_C]

No: HPFGUIDX 133581

Alla:
 > The difference between Snape and Harry situation is that we KNOW 
that 
> Dumbledore ordered Harry to force feed him the potion. We don't 
KNOW 
> whether Dumbledore ordered Snape to kill him, it is just a theory.


Precisely. The difference between Snape's situation and Harry's 
situation is that we know the context of Harry's, we have the 
background for what is going on, and those mitigating circumstances 
allows us to view what would otherwise be a horrific tableau with 
pity and sympathy rather than anger and hate. My point is, we *don't 
know* all the background of Dumbledore's death or Snape's situation, 
so we can't say with certainty that Snape is evil or deserving of 
hate. And to make a blanket pronouncement of such seems, to me, to be 
jumping the gun.


> For now, I  am very much doubting that Dumbledore could order 
anyone 
> to do the killing.

And I'm not suggesting that Dumbledore actually ordered Snape to 
*kill* him. It might have even been an unexpected outcome, at this 
particular point. I am suggesting that Dumbledore both told Snape 
that Harry's protection/Voldemort's defeat was paramount and knew 
that Snape would do what had to be done to achieve that, no matter 
the cost. Which means Dumbledore's death was a possibility, but 
that's different from "Kill me, Severus! Kill me now!" 

But I highly, highly doubt that in his long years of fighting 
Voldemort, Dumbledore has never ordered anyone to do anything that 
didn't ultimately cause death, either their own or someone else's.


> Another big difference is that Harry is doing his best to save 
> Dumbledore, contrary to Snape to kills him with hatred on his face.

Harry is described as feeling "hatred" for himself and 
being "repulsed" by what he is doing in the scene in the cave. I 
expect that would have shown on his face to any observers, if there 
had been any - and particularly if they had the kind of existing 
prejudice about Harry that Harry has about Snape, his expression 
could well have been misinterpreted as showing his feelings about 
Dumbledore, rather than about what he was being forced - by 
Dumbledore, because of their prior agreement, against what appeared 
to be Dumbledore's current wishes - to do.

We have no outside description of what Harry looks like during the 
scene in the cave; we have no Snape POV during the scene on the 
Tower. Nevertheless, the scenes are *strikingly* paralleled, as has 
already been pointed out - to the point of using some of the same 
words to describe what Harry feels and the emotions Snape displays. I 
have a hard time believing there's not a reason for that. 


> I am also doubting "Snape as a deep mole theory" for the simple 
> reason that there is nobody whom Snape could give his reports to, 
> since ( finally) all Order of Phoenix is on the same page as Harry 
is 
> as to Snape.

Snape's a clever man - I wouldn't find it unbelievable that he could 
find some way to pass information anonymously. Also, there's all the 
possibilities of internal sabotage that are open to him as part of 
Voldemort's machine. It's not like Snape would be the first deep-
cover agent in history. Plus, as someone already pointed out, Snape's 
best use, at this point, is as a timebomb sitting practically in 
Voldemort's lap, waiting to go off until just the moment when it will 
help Harry the most.

-Alexa