Could Dumbledore have survived the Potion? was: Re: Snape Haters Club

[hickengruendler]

No: HPFGUIDX 133595

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<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
  
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Erm... I do believe that Dumbledore could have survived.

Hickengruendler:

I don't. During the opening feast, Hermione said, that there are 
Potions for which no antidotes exist. And of course JK Rowling also 
gives this information to the readers in this scene.

And you have to admit, that it would be totally in character for 
Voldemort to use such a Potion as a protection for the Horcrux. In 
fact, seeing that it is Voldemort, I'm inclined to say that it would 
be a plothole if he would use another potion. Surely if someone were 
able to destroy one Horcrux, he would get sure, that this person 
won't destroy any other. (That doesn't mean, that it has to be that 
way. There are some plotholes and oversights in the series after all, 
but it seems more likely to me, that the Potion was definitely fatal).

> I asked 
> this question, but I will ask it again.
> Does he strike to you in a scene with Draco as " dying man 
talking"? 
> Not to me, he is making plans for Draco, which HE himself intends 
to 
> implement.

Hickengruendler:

That is IMO because he wanted to stop Draco from becoming a murderer. 
This was what was important to him at that point, to save Draco from 
making this big step into evil. That does not mean that I think he 
lied. I'm sure he still had some time to arrange protection for Draco 
and Narcissa. After all, R.A.B. aldo didn't die right away after 
drinking the Potions. Dumbledore said that Voldemort would wanted to 
have enough time to question the person, who destroyed the Horcrux.

But then the situation changed and the other Death Eaters appeared. 
Dumbledore, who was wandless and at the very least weakened by the 
Potions knew that it was his end. And that's why he asked Snape to do 
it. Because it would be a less painful death, the Order wouldn't have 
lost another member and that Snape would be able to gain Voldemort's 
complete trust.

Also, we shouldn't forget that Snape did nothing to harm Harry. He 
only defended himself against harry's curses and even gave him 
further instructions. He also stopped the other Death Eaters from 
harming Harry (granted, he gave a convincing reason, namely that 
Voldemort wanted to get Harry himself, but he still saved him here).

Hickengruendler, who also thinks that it would be a major 
disappointment, if the dark, greasy-haired, hook-nosed and through 
and through nasty git would turn out to be evil