New Snape Theory - SHINY GOLD PASHMINAS revealed - LONG

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 133986

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> wrote:
> Valky:
> Before I continue to the worst spoiler of all, I will tell you, I  
> am more than wiling to answer your questions about the Diary and  
> Ginny, ask away... I have thought it through..
> > 
> > 
> > Valky
> > SHINY GOLD PASHMINAS
> > Souls Horcruxes Individually Never Yeild. Giving Our Lives for his
> > Death. Prejudiced Against Snape Harry Misinterprets Albus Noble
> > Sacrifice...
> 
> Jen: I finally had time to really contemplate your thoughts, Valky, 
> and I'm speechless as usual in the face of one of your theories. 
> Perhaps it's the way you write, but I always think 'oh, she's got 
> this one figured out.'

Valky:
Thanks Jen, this theory unlocks secrets like a Master key, though so
either it's waaay off track and my imgination runs off with me, or.. 
If we continue to discuss it you'll understand what I am saying... I
am literally having to console myself that there are several things it
doesn't quite explain.. :(

> Jenreese:
> I snippped most of your theory b/c my thoughts are pretty scattered 
> at the moment and I just wanted to do a stream of conciousness thing 
> at first.
> 
> **(Also, where am I missing the 'worst spoiler of all'? I've been 
> trying to find that and can't. Please direct me or let me know if 
> you're still waiting to post it)**

Valky:
I haven't posted it yet, but I will, eventually, I have talked about
it a little with some people and mostly noone likes it or wants to
believe it.. I'll tell you soon.. (It's about Lily)

> 
> In the recent TIME magazine article, JKR said this about the 
> books: "Um. I don't think they're that secular...but obviously 
> Dumbledore is not Jesus.' Food for thought, that is. ;)
> 
> HBP brought to mind wonderings about resurrection, given all the 
> Phoenix imagery, and of course the white tomb so like another tomb 
> where a resurrection took place. But then JKR seems to be saying we 
> shouldn't look for Dumbledore to be a representation of Jesus. Maybe 
> sacrifice IS the name of the game at work here, the underlying 
> philosophical and spiritual concept in the series that makes it "um, 
> not that secular."
> 
> The stage is certainly set by Lily's sacrifice. And you mentioned 
> the bond Sirius made with Dumbledore to sacrifice himself for Harry. 
> Personally I think this one goes much farther back, back to the 
> christening ceremony to make Sirius Harry's Godfather:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/105067
> 
> The times Sirius said he would 'die for his friends' is not just 
> blather. He's willing to die for Harry, so much so he swore his life 
> on it in that ceremony (perhaps via the mysterious Unbreakable vow, 
> perhaps not). So it doesn't bother me at all that Sirius was a 
> willing participant, although I don't believe it was at DD's 
> request, but James'instead.

Valky:
JEN! You found it !!! You Found it!! I was looking for this
yesterday.. Now I know why neither could live while the other
survived. One of DD or Sirius (or both) made a solemn vow long long
ago.. and they meant it. 


> Jen:
> Now on to the meat of your theory, the Horcruxes. Just a few 
> thoughts in no particular order:
> 
> 1) It seems more likely that Voldemort was hoping to place one of 
> his souls at the time of the Harry's death. Since the Potters are at 
> GH, he was hoping to use an artifact from Gryffindor owned by the 
> Potters. So I'm not sure how that would work with Lily's death 
> taking out one of the horcruxes. I think there was no horcrux 
> involved with that sacrifice.  (As an aside, that might explain why 
> there are no more artifacts belonging to GG but the sword, perhaps 
> the remaining ones were destroyed when GH was destroyed).

Valky:
The key is in the prophecy. Voldemort marked Harry as his equal, why
did that happen? I really don't want say this one again.. yet.. but I
might when I finish with the Horcruxes. Suffice to say that in my
theory Harry and Lily are a special case, remote but linked, to the
set of Horcruxes.


> Jen:
> 2) You mentioned the diary--well? :-) I'm hoping for an explanation 
> about where that soul is now, if not completely destroyed.

Valky:
Yeah, you answered this in your follow up Jen. DD's giant brain makes
even more giant mistakes.. he's really sorry for this in particular,
(read OOtP speech again, and chapter on Horcruxes). I think Ginny knew
this before Dumbledore figured it out.
 
> Jen:
> 3) While I love your theory, it seems a bit cumbersome to carry out 
> completely in Book 7. Although I do love the symmetry that Harry 
> notes all the people "who stood in front of him one by one, his 
> mother, his father, his godfather and finally Dumbledore; all 
> determined to protect him." (Chap. 30, p. 635, US). To find out 
> those same people actually made a willing sacrifice for him!!! Well, 
> after he feels guilty, he'll understand the enormity of it <g>.
> 
> And oh how I'd love to see Snape sacrifice himself for Harry while 
> extinguishing the last horcrux before the one inside Voldemort!!! 
> But the cumbersome part....I don't know. That's a lot of deaths, 
> very methodical deaths in some ways. Four I believe? If not written 
> right that could drag on and on. But JKR always surprises me! 
> Thankfully her imagination is better than mine.

Valky:
JK will do it in style, I am sure of it. It does seem methodical
doesn't it, but I doubt that Jo has quite in mind to make it march
along through the book like it seems it might be, it's going to be BIG
BIG BANGY. Someone else I was chatting with noted that Trelawney and
DD's recollections of the eavesdropping event were not meshing
exactly, one explanation is that Snape heard a whole lot more than
he's letting on, so I supposed that in his isolation since DD's death
some bad feelings might surface and he'll let out more to Voldie than
he really should or originally intended to, that should mix things up
a little. If Voldie realises that they are after his soul...


> 
> That's all for now. Lay more of your theory on me because it's a 
> *good* one, and could really tie everything together.
> 
> Jen, thinking there was more but it escapes her now.

Valky:
Yeah theres more. Ok here it is, I already said that one Horcrux was
located by the Longbottoms.. yeah? Right then since that I think I
have located the next one (or maybe even the same one but it's not
forshadowed that way so I am assuming the next one) Bella has it. 
We have all at least once or twice been convinced that the Chess game
under the trapdoor was a foreshadowing, right? and quite a few have
happily adopted a feeling that the Queen who knocks Ron off the horse
is Bella. 
This Chess game also is in line with other foreshadowings of the
Horcrux hunt, when it's all told, one of the Horcruxes will be battled
for, and if we take the Queen to be Bella it puts a big new bangy
twist on her words in spinners End - "He trusts me with his most
precious..."

It seems to be all very sad and beautiful, to me.

Valky