The Cave, the Bible, the Passing of the Baton...

[vmonte]

No: HPFGUIDX 134364

Vivian:
> When Dumbledore does see Snape his comments to Snape may very be
> echoing the Bible's: "Why have you forsaken me" Snape? (JMO)
> Did Dumbledore die for Snape's sins?
>
> If so, Snape has made a crucial error in killing Dumbledore. 
Martyred
> people often become stronger when they die. And their followers 
often
> become braver, and more focused. (Didn't Judas allegedly hang 
himself
> over the guilt?)
>
> So, will Dumbledore rise from the dead before passing through the
> veil?

Geoff responded:
These are not really parallels because Jesus' call "Why have you
forsaken me is to God the Father. Because he was being crucified to
carry the sins of the world, God for that moment turned away, hence 
the
cry.

It was nothing to do with Judas, who did indeed commit suicide; that 
is in the Bible narrative.

Regarding the question of martyrdom strengthening people or their 
work, I think that Dumbledore is (or was) strong enough already. It 
might be interesting to see how events work out with some of the 
others - Malfoy for instance who seems very uncertain of where he 
stands at the moment.

vmonte responds:
Yes, I know that when Jesus was dying that he was talking to God. But 
there is something familiar In the manner Dumbledore speaks and looks 
at Snape. (I do not believe for a minute that Dumbledore would ask 
Snape to kill him. Dumbledore does not want Snape to go back to being 
a killer. It just makes no sense to me, what-so-ever). 
I do think though that Snape is suppose to represent a "Judas type." 
With Tom Riddle you get the impression that he was never loved, so if 
he becomes evil you can sort of see where it's coming from.  But with 
Draco and Snape I get the impression that they did have at least one 
person in their lives that loved them.  I may be wrong but I think 
that Draco's mother loves him. And I get the feeling that Dumbledore 
loved Snape. And it was Dumbledore's love of Snape that really made 
him blind to him.  

So, in a way, what I'm saying is that Snape's betrayal is much worse 
because he killed someone that would have died for him. 

I hope I'm clear.

Vivian