What is the use of Ch2 "Spinners End"?/Occlumency and Pensieves

[eggplant107]

No: HPFGUIDX 134452

"justcarol67" <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:


> According to JKR's combined 
> Leaky/Mugglenet interview, it was 
> Harry's own emotions that made it
> difficult if not impossible for
> him to learn Occlumency

Harry might have had difficulty learning Occlumency with any teacher,
but with Snape he had no chance at all. Zero. And with another teacher
even if the lessons did no good at least they would not have actually
made things worse as Snape did.  

> I very much doubt that Dumbledore
> would be reduced to begging Snape
> not to kill him, or that his 
> Legilimency has been completely 
> blocked by Snape's Occlumency,
> however superb Snape's skills 

Snape asked Bellartrix if she really thought he could have fooled
Voldemort, the greatest Legilimens the world has ever seen; well I
don't know what Bellartrix would say but as for me, yes, that's
exactly what I think. If Snape really did fool Dumbledore for 16 years
then his skill at Occlumency must have been even greater than what
Dumbledore realized, much greater, he must be skillful enough to fool
Voldemort too. At one point in book 5 Snape let slip that the Dark
Lord can almost always tell when somebody is lying to him. Almost.

I think Snape is not just another wizard, he is far far far more
powerful than we realized; when Snape walked into the room just before
he killed Dumbledore the other Death Eaters seemed terrified of him,
even the werewolf was frightened. When Harry and Snape fight in book 6
the surprise is not that Harry is so weak, it is that Snape is so
astonishly strong.

> nor do I believe that Snape 
> told the truth to Bellatrix. 

I agree. The part of Snape's tale to Bellartrix I found least
convincing was his actions in Harry's first year. Granted he wouldn't
want to kill Harry in front of Dumbledore, but why save him when
somebody else is trying to kill him? He certainly hated Harry so why
didn't he just sit on his hands and then cry crocodile tears over
Harry's dead body? In fact throughout the entire series there is no
denying Snape does seem to be protecting Harry from death (but not
from pain). Snape hates Harry with a passion so why on earth would he
do that?  Because Snape had heard the entire prophecy. Snape hates
Harry but he wants him alive and healthy because he knows Harry has
the only chance of killing Voldemort. And Snape wants Voldemort dead
as much as Harry does.  

Snape told Dumbledore that he only heard half of the prophecy and he
told the same thing to Voldemort, but I don't think that's true. I
think Snape heard every single word of the prophecy. Snape knew the
first half would make Voldemort want to kill Harry and so he
immediately told the Dark Lord about it. But Snape also knew from the
"marked as an equal" part that that it would be extremely dangerous
for Voldemort to attack the boy. He neglected to tell his master about
that bit because he wanted Voldemort dead. Did you ever notice that
whenever Snape talks about Harry, even with Bellartrix, he always
makes sure to emphases how absolutely mediocre Harry is and how there
is absolutely positively nothing exceptional about Harry. Nothing
nothing nothing!  Snape does that so people don't think he heard the
entire prophecy. 

Was Snape really unaware that Voldemort was sticking out of the back
of Quirel's head? No doubt Voldemort was blocking his presents from
Snape and no doubt Voldemort's vanity convinced him that no wizard
could have possibly overcome his defenses, but I think Snape did
overcome them, and the last thing in the world that Snape wanted was
for Voldemort to get the Philosopher's stone. So he helped Harry.    

Snape wants to be the most powerful wizard in the world, but 3 wizards
stood in the way of his ambition. Snape killed one of them at the end
of book 6 and he plans to get Harry to kill the other in book 7. And
then we have the hideous final bloody battle to the death between
Harry and Snape, outcome unknown.     

 > a triumph for the ESE! Snape theorists

I keep hearing that and it embarrasses me to say this, but will
somebody please take pity on me and explain what ESE means.

Eggplant