Lily, Dumbledore, and AK

[fanofminerva]

No: HPFGUIDX 134606

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "wapp13" <mandyallen286 at f...> 
wrote:
> Valky says:
> > 
> > Voldemort wanted his Horcruxes to have the Founders objects
> > surrounding and protecting them. Is Godrics Hollow itself a 
Hogwarts
> > Founders object?
> > 
>  I believe Godric's Hollow is directly linked to Godric 
Gryffindor, and 
> therefore may have some artifacts of his, any of which could have 
been 
> used for a horcrux.  It is a matter for speculation, however, 
which LV 
> would have chosen and how he would have had knowledge of it.  
> 
> There is a theory on here (can't find it at mo) that Dumbledore or 
the 
> Weasleys may turn out to be descendents of Godric Gryffindor.  
This 
> would explain in part why Dumbledore suggested Lily and James hide 
out 
> at Godric's Hollow.  
> 
> Wapp13


So, let's say for the sake of discussion, that LV went to Godric's 
Hollow for two purposes: First, to establish the 7th horcrux with an 
object of Godric Gryffindor's that was located at the Hollow and, 
second, to kill Harry because of the prophecy.  

I think James was the one LV had to kill to establish the horcrux 
(because he had the relic of Gryffindor, perhaps?).  That is why 
Lily's death was not necessary...he had already committed the murder 
he needed to fulfill his first intention.  The murder of Harry was 
simply to get him out of the way.  Lily's /choice/ to die is what 
saved Harry, no ancient magic.  The protection she gave Harry was 
her sacrifice.  It is possible that no one had ever been given this 
choice before because no one had ever tried to AK a baby/child 
before.  Let's face it, LV is evil, not just "a bad guy."

This leaves the possibility that the last horcrux was not 
established, unless it somehow was unintentionally established 
within Harry or his scar as a result of the magical preparation LV 
had to do to establish the horcrux but was thwarted by Lily.

Back to DD...even if he chose to die and Snape used the AK, I don't 
see this as the same type of sacrifice that Lily made.  The DEs did 
not know Harry was present because he was under the invisibility 
cloak.  DD did not sacrifice himself /for/ Harry (ie, step in front 
of the AK), so I do not think his death affords the same type of 
protection Lily's did.  (However, I still am holding out for the 
possibility that Snape's AK did not kill DD but the fall from the 
tower did.  I am hoping that Snape is "one of the good guys," maybe 
not a nice guy but at least a good guy.)

Julie