Lily, Dumbledore, and AK

[saraquel_omphale]

No: HPFGUIDX 134701

>Saraquel  wrote: > I took it to mean that no-one has sacrificed 
>themselves for someone
> who is the oject of a Horcrux attempt.

Valky wrote: 
>I find it hard to understand how we might extrapolate intentional
>Horcrux Harry from "I am sure that he was intending to make his 
final
>Horcrux with your death......"  

Saraquel again:
I agree Valky, it's my fault, I didn't express myself clearly 
enough, what I actually meant, and I can see that it's not at all 
clear from how I phrased it, is what you describe later in your 
post. 

>Two spells at once appear to be possible. So could Voldemort have
>tried to do double magic at Godrics Hollow?

>He points an Avada Kedavra at Baby Harry, a finisher. And at Lily he
>points the little Horcrux experiment he had in mind..
>equal-connected-horcrux.

I don't think Harry was supposed to be the Horcrux either.  He was 
the object, in the sense that his murder was going to facilitate the 
making of a Horcrux. Perhaps if I'd said, object IN a Horcrux 
attempt it might – oh
.. you get the gist.

I've thought a little on the process of making Horcruxes, and I 
wondered if the murder and the making of the Horcrux, had to be done 
simultaeneously.  I thought that it did, because I assumed that 
splitting the soul releases huge amounts of power which would be 
needed to actually remove the soul part from the Horcrux makers 
body. Somehow, making one after the murder event doesn't seem to 
ring true – but that doesn't mean of course that JKR hasn't invented 
it that way. There is also the question of the adrenaline buzz 
(shudder), to do the whole thing at once, and Voldemort is certainly 
an adrenaline junkie.

I loved the speculation in the rest of the post, yes, Lily as 
Horcrux did make me want to throw up, and everything was screaming 
no, no, don't go there – but actually having been there, it does 
have a certain compulsive interest and I think it is well worth 
bearing in mind.  

I too have rambling thoughts.  I don't think that they are 
particularly probable, but I do think that they might spark off some 
interesting lines of enquiry. So let's think around this a bit.

>He chose a living Horcrux to replace it - tending to indicate that a
>living Horcrux was always intended.

I definitely agree with you that Voldemort needed a living Horcrux 
and that he intended a living Horcrux when he went to GH.  The 
reason I think this, is clear from what happens to Voldemort after 
the GH fiasco. He has no body, and that's why he's in the wilderness 
for all those years. If he has a living Horcrux, in the event of his 
mortal body being destroyed, he has another body to hand, and that 
IMO, is what his thinking would be. One problem with choosing any 
witch or wizard is that they are relatively short-lived, but is 
Voldemort offsetting that against the overwhelming advantage of 
having a body available.

Or we could think about Voldemort having a plan to create an 
immortal body.

IMO, that Voldemort had plans for an immortal body, is clear from 
his remark in UK GoF p 569 "But I was willing to embrace mortal life 
again, before chasing immortal. I set my sights lower 
 I would 
settle for my old body back again, and my old strength."

This is an interesting line, in that he calls his current existence –
 mortal life.  Seeing as he has survived without a body, the part 
that he seems to think of as mortal in this context is his body.

In the Mugglenet interview, JKR says that the first foetal-like body 
he created is significant. In GOF p567 he talks about creating this 
with Wormtail's help "a spell or two of my own invention 
 a little 
help from my dear Nagini." 

I'm really not sure where to go with this one, but I've also had 
tucked in the back of my mind that Voldemort's body changes every 
time he makes a Horcrux. It is quite distinctly shown in the text.  
Therefore the making of a Horcrux is not just about the soul, it is 
also about the body as well.  HBP P413 "It was as though his 
features had been burned and blurred; they were waxy and oddly 
distorted"  His voice is also affected.

So mumble. Mumble, what am I saying here.  That when Voldemort went 
to GH I think he had the intention of making a living Horcrux, and 
that making a Horcrux involves some transmutation of the body, which 
is why there doesn't seem to be a dead body for Voldemort.  Not much 
really, but it's still early days.
Saraquel