Omniscient Dumbledore (Was Re: Snape's AK Failed!!!, and DADA responses)

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No: HPFGUIDX 135094

>
> Betsy Hp:
> Again, for me it's a question of degree here.  Because Dumbledore 
is 
> *so* much more complicit in Snape's case.  *Dumbledore* is the one 
> who brought Snape in.  *Dumbledore* is the one who chose to trust 
> him so completely.  If Harry had died under Fake!Moody's wand in 
> GoF, yes, Dumbledore would feel some guilt in being deceived by 
> him.  But I wouldn't feel such a sense of "Dumbledore, you fool."  
> Because Fake!Moody tricked *everyone*.  No one was going up to 
> Dumbledore saying, "you know, Moody just said the most out-of-
> character thing,".  Snape, however, is very much Dumbledore's 
baby.  
> McGonagall suggests that the entire Order thought it strange that 
he 
> was so trusted.
> 
> (I'd also add that the reason Harry *didn't* die under Fake!Moody's 
> wand is because Dumbledore realized so quickly that Fake!Moody did 
> something out of character and, following his instincts, decided 
> *not* to trust him.)


Alla:

Well, if there IS a difference, I think in the case of Fake!Moody 
there is very little difference.

Moody is Dumbledore's trusted old friend, he supposedly knew him for 
many years, we know that they fought together in the first war and 
who knows, maybe even for longer.

And he still did not figure out that Moody was not Moody.

Moreover, just as in case with Snape Dumbledore brought him to 
school, and let him get so close to Harry.

Oh, and what do you mean that Dumbledore quickly figured out that 
Fake!Moody did something out of character?

He was fooled for a year, no?

I think that IF Dumbledore was wrong to trust Snape the case of Fake!
Moody is the best foreshadowing example of that.


Betsy HP:
> If Snape really is ESE it means that Dumbledore examined that 
> question and came up with the completely wrong answer.  It would 
> mean, in other words, that Dumbledore is a fool.  And it would 
mean, 
> IMO, that any "wisdom" he passed along to Harry would be suspect.


Alla:

Well, yes. Just as he evaluated a question whether Moody ws really a 
Moody, just as he evaluated a question whether Quirrel is to be 
trustworthy and even though people argued that Snape went to 
Dumbledore with his suspicions, I am SO not sure after HBP.



To me it would mean that Dumbledore just comitted another mistake in 
his evaluation of people. It would not be his first, but definitely 
his last. :-(

JMO
Alla.