I still dont like Fleur

[phoenixgod2000]

No: HPFGUIDX 135126


> Lynn:
  
> My problem is that Ginny, Hermione and Molly are being disparaged 
by not just automatically accepting being treated badly and, more 
importantly, being blamed for what is Fleur's normally bad 
behavior.  I fail to understand why there are people who think it is 
okay to treat people the way Fleur does and that others should just 
accept it.  Yes, you can put with with some of her behavior even if 
you don't like it.  She's vain and self-centered, so what.  That 
doesn't hurt anyone.  When the bahavior is insulting or demeaning, I 
draw the line at saying people should just put up with it as that is 
damaging behavior.

phoenixgod2000:  I think you are making Fleur out to be a much 
darker and more obnoxious character than she is meant to be. From 
the moment she burst into Harrys room 'languishing' to speak with 
him to her whipping her hair in Molly's face by accident the entire 
Molly/Fleur/Other assorted girls conflict should be seen more like 
comedic movie than anything else. It'll make great physical comedy 
in HBP movie. It's comedy in the vein of American Wedding or the 
Meet the Parents movie.  I think you are making far too much of 
Fleur's supposed rudeness which I think is more about the comedy of 
it than anything else.

Secondly, even if I were to agree that Fleur is as horrid and awful 
as some list members think, Molly, Hermione, and Ginny are the last 
people to take the more high ground over it considering that they 
are much more condesending, insulting, and rude to far more people.  
Fleur is a vain, but ultimately harmless and goodhearted girl. On 
the other hand:

Molly: Likes to disparrage and control her children (and other 
children she thinks are hers) ruthlessly. She insults Sirius in his 
own home in far worse way than Fleur insulting her musical tastes 
(which apparently other people agree with but are too afraid to do 
anything about) and she apparently likes to insult and humiliate her 
husband in public.  Pretty rude to anyone not on her good list as 
well (Hermione during GoF). Pretty much loses her temper at the drop 
of the hat.

Ginny: Likes to crash her broom into the commentater stands whenever 
she doesn't like the guy. Imagine if Draco had done that to Lee 
Jordan if you don't think its a big deal.  Curses students she finds 
annoying (so she's a bully). Breaks up with guys over minor issues 
(Dean).  Likes to humilate people in public over minor issues (Ron 
and Hermione). Also pretty much loses her temper at the drop of a 
hat.  

Hermione: More condesending in her casual conversation with Harry 
and Ron than Fleur could ever hope to be. Obnoxiously self righteous 
with maddening regularity. Magically attacked Ron when he did 
something she didn't like (those birds in HBP).  Rude to anyone who 
doesn't hold her exact viewpoint (Luna).  Pretty much a shrew to 
just about everyone at one point or another in HBP.

I would take vain, goodhearted Fleur over those three any day of the 
week and twice on sundays.   
  
> Just because other people put up with Fleur doesn't mean they have 
to or should have to.  To expect them to isn't fair to them and it 
isn't fair to Fleur.  Someone said Ginny needed to be taken down a 
peg or eight and yet I think it's Fleur who needs the wake-up call 
of how she is perceived by other people.

Yeah, that way she wants to include Ginny in her wedding is a pretty 
low blow.  Ginny is absolutely terrible to Fleur and I can't really 
figure out what the reason could be other than jealousy--whether 
over her looks or not suddenly being the most important female in 
her oldest brothers life or some other reason, who knows. The way 
the book was written I think we were supposed to think that Ginny 
was funny in her insults but all I could think was that she was 
being a giant rythms-with-witch.  
  

> As I said, I blame Bill for not stepping in.  

You have clearly never been between your girlfriend and your mother 
in fight. I have. I'm practically living the Fleur/Molly conflict 
right now.  My girlfriend, despite having a BA in nutrition, makes 
her living as a dancer in a pretty well known strip club.  All my 
mother sees is the job and the stereotypes that come along with it.  
Just like Molly is seeing the stereotype of the vain pretty veela 
and not bothering to see if there was anything beneath it. When you 
have a deeply judgemental person making judgements about someone you 
love,it tears you up inside and when you know neither side is going 
to give in, you just want to throw your hands up and scream. If Bill 
is anything like me he wants to just stay the hell out of the way 
because there is no way he can come out the winnner.  

A lesson I still have the scars from learning.

>If she loves him so much, shouldn't she be trying to get along with 
his family?

How do you know she isn't. she tried to help Molly with taking the 
tray up to Harry. She's including Ginny in the wedding and trying to 
find a dress that won't screw up her coloring. She is specifically 
not doing anything to encourage Ron's crush.  What else can she do? 
 
> As I said in my first post, overall I like Fleur because you can 
see a depth in her by her love for her sister.  I just wish she 
wouldn't be so toxic with those whom she doesn't have a personal 
relationship.  

She's less toxic than Molly, Ginny, and Hermione have been in the 
past six books.  All three have treated many more people much worse 
than Fleurs relatively harmless excentricties. 

phoenixgod2000