Foreshadowing? Two Places to Hide Horcruxes

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 135801

> > Jen Reese: So far Riddle's hiding places have been meaningful to 
> his history: the Gaunt House, the cave where he terrorized the 
> children, possibly the cup at Hogwarts.
 
hg:
> I disagree that the cup will be found at Hogwarts, and I have
> doubts that it was ever used as one.  If it is indeed a Horcrux,
> he would have had to commit another murder to turn it into one, 
> possibly Dorcas Meadowes' murder, which he committed close to the
> end of his fall.  

Jen: Hi hg! Glad to see you posting. About the cup, the one I was 
referring to was the sevices to the school award, not the Hufflepuff 
cup, is that what you're saying, too? I re-read your link and think 
we're referring to the same thing. (Although I do have some 
reservations the award is a Horcrux, see below).

hg:
> The three Riddles he killed made three Horcruxes, and I find
> it unlikely that he killed three people and made only two
> Horcruxes, saving one murder to use on something "really
> special."  

Jen: I'm torn on this one. If Tom truly did make his Horcruxes 
after 'significant' deaths, I'm wondering whether he would consider 
his grandparents significant? They always seemed like an 
afterthought. I doubt he would have considered them important enough 
to come back later and murder, if they'd happened to be out the 
night Riddle Sr. got AK'd. 

I agree the ring was definitely made into a Horcrux following his 
father's murder, some time shortly after that party at Slughorns 
when Tom has the ring on and asks about making Horcruxes. It makes 
sense he would use the ring, an artifact of his Slytherin heritage, 
after the death of the last Riddle, the lineage he completely 
rejects.

But I'm still wondering about the diary. I do think Myrtle's death, 
although indirect and unplanned, would have been significant to 
Riddle. She's killed by the basilisk he's controlling with 
Parseltoungue, so I do think it was a murder, even if unintended. 

So that would mean he created the diary and the ring while at 
Hogwarts, but not the award. 

Much as I like the idea he used the award, I tend to believe 
Dumbledore's words that Tom's psychological make-up was such that he 
was obsessed with using items from the four founders, esp. after 
stealing the ring and cup from Hepzibah. If that's true, it follows 
that Riddle's request for a job at Hogwarts was a ruse to steal 
either the sword or a Ravenclaw artifact.

But the part I can't discount about the services award is the 
psychological component at work *there*. It was another stolen item 
in a sense, because he didn't earn it.

Argh! It's hard to decide.

hg:
> Furthermore, Voldemort murdered Hepzibah Smith a long time after
> he graduated; in order for Harry to find a cup Horcrux at
> Hogwarts, Riddle would have had to make the cup Horcrux and the
> locket Horcrux at the time of Smith's murder (having saved out a 
> Riddle murder) and slipped the cup Horcrux into the school the
> night of his interview with Dumbledore.  It seems a stretch.

Jen: Actually, the Borgin & Burkes job was right after Hogwarts, 
after he was rejected for the teaching position. I'm guessing he 
worked there from ages 18 or 19 until his early 20's, when the 
Hepzibah murder took place. 

It's more likely he used the Hufflepuff cup for the Hepzibah Horcrux 
than the locket. She was distantly descended from Helga Hufflepuff 
and he probably saw her as a rather silly woman, unworthy of the 
prized Slytherin locket once worn by his mother. Now THAT Horcrux 
would be made after a very, very significant murder that we haven't 
heard of yet or havne't pinned down. But as to where he hid the 
Hufflepuff cup, I have no idea at the moment.

> I'm definitely stumped on places they'd be.
> hg.

Jen: Me too!!