Horcrux creation and different kinds of magic

[Deb]

No: HPFGUIDX 135831

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> Valky:
> will die if Harry kills him too. And neither can Harry kill 
Voldemort
> now, because Voldemort won't die unless Harry dies too. But this
> involutes the prophecy because it means that neither can *die* if 
the
> other survives, not that neither can live. Unless we consider also
> that they aren't ever going to work together and Voldemort will 
still
> wish to kill Harry, but survive so he can reclaim his piece of 
soul,
> and Harry will not want to live if it helps Voldemort achieve his 
ends
> but he knows the Voldemort will not give up trying to kill him, 
and he
> must survive to stop Voldemort reclaiming his soul, the only way to
> survive is to kill Voldemort.
> 
> So then Harry cannot live if Voldemort survives the battle, for the
> battle won't end for Voldie till Harry is dead. And Voldemort 
cannot
> live if Harry survives the battle for if Harry finds a way to 
survive
> it will almost certainly be taking Voldemorts life.
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> After plotting that scenario my brain is in knots so I'll let you
> ponder it a bit before I go on with other thoughts. 
> 
> Valky

Deb writes:
   What might be the antithesis of the prophecy part that 
 states "neither can live while the other survives"? How about "Both 
 can live if neither one dies"? The prophecy states "the one with 
 the  power to *vanquish* the Dark Lord approaches" (emphasis     
added). The 
 prophecy does NOT state the one approaching can/will/should/must 
 **kill** the Dark Lord... it says this one has the power to 
 vanquish 
 the Dark Lord. Webster's New World Dictionary (the only dictionary  
 I have here at home) defines "vanquish" thusly: "1-to conquer or 
 defeat in battle: force into submission. 2. a)to defeat in any 
 conflict as in argument; b)to overcome (a feeling, condition, etc): 
 surpress. Syn: see conquer."  JKR has said in an interview that she 
 crafted the prophecy very carefully and specifically... I think if 
 she had meant that LV had to be killed in order to be overcome she 
 would have conveyed that meaning. If this is indeed the sense of 
 the 
 prophecy then the task Harry faces is how to defeat LV without 
 killing him. An even greater and more challenging task than just 
 offing the wicked dude.. IMO       
 
 Deb