[HPforGrownups] Harry not kind and loyal anymore? Was:Re: "Some won't like it"

[Ladi lyndi]

No: HPFGUIDX 129825

Alla wrote:
 
Well, certainly Harry is not very kind for the most part of OOP, 
IMO. But I am one of those who think that besides the fact that it 
is very understandable phase of the teenager development, Harry was 
justified in acting the way  he did.

<snip reasons Harry acted the way he did>

I also don't remember the examples of Harry acting like "I am the 
great Harry". He WAS lashing out on Ron and Hermione, true and no, 
they did not deserve it, but I think that true friends should stand 
by each other even when their friend is not acting too maturely, to put it mildly.

Lynn:

I think if I were in Harry's shoes I would feel like they did deserve it.  He expected loyalty from them and instead felt betrayed that they didn't tell him anything and that had to hurt.  Hermione had already figured out that Harry would be angry - just as any of them would had positions been reversed.  I would feel betrayed that they were willing to "give me up" just to be on the inside.  Ron and Hermione promised not to tell Harry anything and yet, when it was Harry who would be getting information, Ron's first expectation was that Harry would tell him everything.  I've wondered if Ron's faltering there is because he's wondering if it will be Harry's "payback" or if because Ron finally realized just why Harry felt the way he did.

Alla wrote:

<snip>
Yep, he forgot and did feel bad when Ginny called him on it. There 
are NOT that many people by the way who knows what it means to be 
possessed by Voldie. So far we know about only two.

Lynn:

I also think it is understandable that Harry forgot.  Voldemort keeps focusing on Harry - not on Ginny or Ron or whossits.  In addition, Harry is feeling incredible guilty because he didn't understand what was going on and, again, information that would have eased his mind was not forthcoming.

Alla wrote:

Alina:
Harry keeps on acting like he's the only person who goes through 
hardships or does anything worth while and even the above-mentioned 
scene didn't wake him up to the reality that there are other people 
out there who know things he doens't.

Alla:

On the contrary, I think that throuout the book Harry's reality was 
he knew that other people know things he does not and won't tell him.


Lynn:

I agree, which increases the frustration level particularly as he has to feel manipulated.  The ones he trusted, Dumbledore, Sirius and Lupin, keep telling him what to do without explaining anything.  It's not so much what they know about other things as much as what they know as it pertains to him and still won't tell him. I'd put it down to his age except I wonder how many of us wouldn't feel that same way if we were in Harry's position - grief-stricken, guilt-ridden, knowing something strange is happening to us and yet those people most likely to help with the answers just won't do it.

It seems to me that Harry is expected to act like an adult and yet continues to be treated as a child.  At the end, Dumbledore acknowledges that this was a mistake - his mistake.  How differently might Harry have acted had he been given the information which pertained to him early on.  For example, how would any of us feel to discover we've been under surveillance by someone we trust for a long period of time.  I think I'd feel as if they didn't trust me.  He knows people are talking about him yet why aren't they talking to him.

Also, how much of that anger would have been avoided had Harry received proper attention after GOF.  Here he is, barely escaping with this life, seeing Cedric die, feeling responsible for his death, then sent off back to the Dursleys to try to sort out all those feelings for himself and in addition having the worry of Voldemort being back and also feeling responsible for that.  I think Harry did quite well to hold it together as much as he did.

Alla wrote:

I honestly don't ask you to like OOP! Harry. I know that not 
everybody did. I love him much more after OOP, personally.


Lynn:

I agree, I love Harry more after OOP.  He became real.

 


 

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