Sirius and Prank again? Fools Rush in ...

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 129958

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at h...> wrote:


> > > Valky:
> > <SNIP>
> > Sirius does not think Sevvie was blameless, and apparently neither 
> > did Dumbledore.


> > Alla:
> > 
> > I don't know for sure what Dumbledore thinks of course, but I 
> > believe that what you are saying IS a possibility, because I
> > always thought that " My memory is as good as ever" to be opened 
> > to very wide interpretations.


> Valky:
> I based that on the fact that Sirius was not given a satisfactory
> punishment according to Snape. So it is fairly clear that Dumbledore
> doesn't agree with Snape about the level of responsibility each 
> child had for the whole thing. 
>
> ...edited...
> 
> Valky


bboyminn:

OK, so how was Sirius punished? Do you know? Of course you don't and
that is the whole point. You don't know so you can say with certainty
whether the punishment was fair or not. 

And since when does Snape get to decide what punishments are handed
out by the headmaster? Are you implying that 16 year old Snape knows
better and is more objective than the 130 year old headmaster of the
school? I think not. That would be like letting Draco determine what
punishments were justified for Harry, or Harry determining Draco's
punishments. Headmaster and teachers simply don't do that.

We don't know what the punishment was, so WE don't know if it was just
or not. Snape is still holding a grudge in the matter, absolving
himself and placing full blame on Sirius, but that doesn't mean an
unbiased informed third part would agree.

Further, to my main point, we don't know what happened during the
Prank. We don't know how Snape was enticed into entering the Whomping
Willow. Without this information, we can not reasonable assign a
degree of blame to any of the participants. 

The best we can do is realize that neither Snape nor Sirius was
blameless. 

You are certainly free to speculate that Sirius tried to kill/murder
Snape, but there is no evidence of that fact. 

In one of the hypotheticals I posted (Reverse Psychology), Sirius
actually tells Snape that it is deadly dangerous, and further,
specifically tells him not to go. 

Of course, I can't say that is how it happened, I simply proposed
three scenarios in which the degree of blame shifted between parties.

Just because Snape is still holding a childish grudge doesn't not
validate his opinion as absolute fact; Snape is a highly biased.

If we are going to take this tack, then we could say that Draco tried
to kill Harry by telling McGonagall about the Dragon/Norbert, because
Draco's action cause Harry to get a detention that almost lead to his
death. If Draco had kept his mouth shut, Harry wouldn't have been in
danger.

You can debate whether that is a fair analogy, but the fact remains
that we simply do not know enough about the details of the Prank to be
bandying about terms like 'attempted murder'.

Still making the same point.

Steve/bboyminn