"Some won't like it". The Scar Connection Implications.

[phoenixgod2000]

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> Tonks:
> I think that Harry knew what he was to do and why as Betsy has 
> shown. In addition I would like to point out:
> 
> First this is a war situation.  When your superior tells you to 
dig 
> a ditch you do it and do it now.  You don't ask "why?" 

Funny I don't recall him being given an Auror pin or a phoenix 
badge. Harry isn't a soldier and he wasn't drafted into any 
organization (except maybe by destiny). Dumbledore didn't give him a 
junior fledging Order of the Phoenix card. Maybe if he had, you 
would have some room to stand on, but as it stands, Harry isn't 
under orders to anyone other than his conscience. Harry is under no 
duty to obey General Dumbledore unless the order is 'do your 
homework.'

>Also Harry 
> is not yet an adult and should still do as he is told by an adult 
in 
> authority over him. 

Snape isn't in authority over him when it comes to his 'remedial 
potion lessons'. Occulomency is completely outside of his authority 
as a school teacher. it is outside of class and Harry is under no 
duty to listen to Snape or obey him in any way other than when it 
directly pertains to his school duties.  Which Occulomency does not 
fall under.  Harry is there of his own volition.  Why do you think 
Snape doesn't take any points away (If I am remembering correctly)?
 
> Just how many people have to tell Harry before he gets it?  They 
all 
> told him, not just Snape and DD. Even Sirius told him. Harry 
> wouldn't listen to anyone. Hermione isn't the only *little know it 
> all* this time around.

They all told him it was important. Not a single one of them said 
why it was important. How could shielding his mind possibly be more 
valuable than knowing what Voldemort knows? That is the answer no 
one gives.
 
> Sometimes when one is a spy or in a war situation it is best not 
to 
> know all the details.  This is a game of chess and the pawn 
doesn't 
> ask the chess master what his plans are, he just makes the moves 
he 
> has been given. 

Harry wasn't asked to make any moves. He was just given short curt 
answers that did nothing to assuage his real questions and did 
everything to make him ANGRY!Harry.
 
> And the bottom line is, of course, if Harry had listened and done 
> what was expected of him we wouldn't have a story would we? 

And if Dumbledore were competent the world wouldn't have to 
repeatedly rely on a scarred kid to save the school every year, but 
there we are.

>We wouldn't have an example of why we should listen to the 
> voice of reason over emotion.  Now there is a lesson Snape can 
> give.

You're kidding right? You cannot possibly mean that Severus Snape 
should serve as an example of emotional control and the triumph of 
reason over emotion. the same guy who hates a child he's never met 
based on looking like his high school bully father? the same guy who 
thinks that humiliating childern is jolly good fun? That guy?

unless you mean as an object lesson, ie 'never turn out like that 
guy'

>We 
> can't blame the adults.

Sure we can <g>  Even your vaunted Dumbledore blames the adults, so 
I can.

 Harry is not stupid, he knew what he needed 
> to do and why.

Once again, no he didn't. He knew the general purpose of Occulomency 
but nothing about why Voldemort wanted to take a peek inside his 
mind. that was what was needed to be answered.

 He didn't want to do it because of his curiosity and 
> maybe just a bid of pride.  He can see these things and no one 
else 
> can, that is kinda cool.  

I...thats...I don't even know where to begin to respond to that 
other than I completely disagree and don't think that is borne out 
within canon in even the slightest measure. this is what I believe 
Harry was thinking:

If I can get behind that door I will finally know something 
important. DD will have to let me in. he won't be able to avoid me 
if I know something.  maybe I can save someone else like I did Mr 
Weasley.  Maybe then they'll trust me and let me in. If I can just 
show them what I can do they'll have to let me in the order...

Harry wanted to be needed. Like I said in an earlier post, he wanted 
to believe that what he was doing and enduring mattered. That it 
meant something.

> I know that we all love Harry and he is a kid, and has been 
through 
> a lot, but we really can't let him off the hook here. It broke my 
> heart to see Harry mess up so badly.

Sure Harry bares some responsibility, but imo he only hung himself 
with the noose that Dumbledore and the rest of the order 
conveniently left hanging around his neck.

  But I think the author did 
> this to help kids understand that even a really serious mistake 
can 
> be forgiven and life can go on.

I agree. Harry will eventually forgive Dumbledore for stringing him 
along and not treating him like the competent warrior he has 
repeatedly demonstrated to be :)

phoenixgod2000