Prophecies Always Come True?

[jlv230]

No: HPFGUIDX 131365

>  JLV: 
>  Dumbledore says that Lord Voldemort 
>  was not trying to 'thwart' the prophecy when he went to kill 
Harry; 
>  instead he thought he was fulfiling its terms. In fact, he *did* 
>  fulfil its terms, but not in the way he was expecting. 
> 
> Tonks:
> Hummmm. Is it possible that the battle in the MoM was TT and the 
first 
> time someone else went throught the veil. Sirius and DD come back 
to 
> send Sirius instead of _______?? Because someone has to die and 
you 
> can't change that, but you can change *who*??  I only have this 
> question because you say that LV was there to fulfill the 
prophecy, not 
> just see it.
> 
> Oh, it is just all too confusing for me.
> 
> Tonks_op

JLV:

I knew I wouldn't say it right. To make things clear, when I 
said "Lord Voldemort was not trying to 'thwart' the prophecy when he 
went to kill Harry" I was talking about when Voldemort went to kill 
Harry as a baby, not when he appeared at the DoM to steal the orb.

I believe Voldemort wants to hear the full prophecy because it will 
tell him his fate. He knows, as Harry does, that one of them will 
kill the other. The very fact that he knows that this has been 
predicted means that Voldemort is going to try to kill Harry at 
every opportunity, because he knows that if he doesn't kill Harry, 
he'll be killed /by/ Harry. The prophecy is therefore self-
fulfilling to a large extent, but Voldemort wouldn't bother trying 
to fulfil the terms of the prophecy in his favour if thought there 
was a chance the prophecy wouldn't come true. I can only assume that 
he thinks this because all past prophecies that he knows about 
*have* come true. If one hadn't, he might be more relaxed about the 
whole thing.

And also just to clarify, as Harry has seen Sirius go through the 
veil we *know* that was what happened. The whole point is that with 
time turning, there is no `first time' and `second time'. Only one 
set of events occur, but there is a loop such that the causes of 
some things are linked to future instead of past events. I know it 
is confusing, but the point I was trying to make is that once 
something has happened, it cannot be undone - Buckbeak never did get 
the chop in PoA and Harry was able to produce the patronus because 
he knew he had already done it. It makes sense in my world, but only 
just.

Anyway, JMO,
JLV xx