I still hate Ginny Weasley!!! ... She's such a 'Weasley'.

[phoenixgod2000]

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> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> So, people say the clues weren't there. Just out of curiousity, I 
went
> back and read an earlier section of PoA to see how Ginny was
> interacting with people when Harry was around, and the clues are
> definitely there. 

So the clues were there that she is magically powerful? That she 
likes quiddich? That she likes to prank people? That she liked to 
steal the twins brooms so she could learn how to fly?
 
> Prior to this, whenever Harry was around, Ginny went completely 
stoic,
> frozen by tension. But in PoA Ginny laughs freely in a conversation

<Snip ginny acting confident>

> In GoF, we actually see Harry and Ginny engage in normal
> converstation, and see hints of a new comfort level and confidents 
in Ginny.

But those 'clues' are so vague you could justfiy any personality 
change with them. You could have her turn into the next Parvati or 
Lavender and justify them with the same clues.
 
> As to why Ginny is moving to the forefront of the story, that 
should
> be obvious, she is moving forward to take the place of Fred and 
George
> who are moving into the background now that they are no longer at
> Hogwarts. 

Other than laughing that their jokes (which everyone but Molly and 
Snape does), were you aware that Ginny was especially a fan of 
theirs or of pranking in general?

 I have to wonder it the real problem isn't that the books don't
> give hints, it's that readers have so thoroughly and confidently 
place
> Ginny into their own self-defined compartment that they are shock 
when
> that image is broken.

But Neville's been kind of a spineless screwup for the entire 
series, and not a single person has problem with his transformation. 
Hell, Harry doesn't notice that one happen either, but all of us 
still did. So Ginny *could* have had better foreshadowing.
 
> The reason, I don't have a problem with Ginny's change, is that 
once
> we see her, we see that she is as Weasley as a Weasley can be. 

Actually she's almost too generic as a weasley. Every other one has 
characteristics that are uniquely theirs, something that they have 
that no other weasley has. Bill (my personal idol) has his coolness 
and Fleur, Charile has dragons, the twins have each other and their 
business dreams, Ron has chess, his insecurities, and the cannons, 
Percy has the stick up his %&^%&, and Ginny has...what?

Ginny is just an amalgam of different weasley characteristics 
desgined to make her be cool without anything of her own. I suppose 
you could argue Voldemort, but that's only brought up a handful of 
times, and nothing comes out of it. If that's supposed to be her 
thing, its being done badly.
 
> I think too, as Rebecca pointed out, that now that Ginny has 
reached
> puberty, Harry is seeing her in a whole new light; a whole new 
light
> that is illuminated with a nice new set of 'headlights' (nudge, 
nudge,
> wink, wink, - if you know what I mean). 

<Wink> I got your totally subtle and completely nonsexist comments. 
Nice!

On a more serious note, please tell me where Harry sees her in a 
whole new light? Ron was preoccupied with Ginny's love life 
throughout the books, but Harry basically said "Huh, so she's 
talking to me now? Thats nice." Not the slightest hint of real 
emotions toward her, not the slightest bit of caring about her love 
life, and he basically ignores her existence unless she's right in 
front of him or taking his spot on the quiddich team. Not to mention 
completely disrespects her ability as a seeker and as a fighter (and 
that was after seeing her in action during the DA).

I don't see it.

 And remember, her
> growing prominence is there to offset Fred and George's deminishing
> prominence.

If all Ginny is going to be is the next generation of comic relief 
then I will be fine. It's the LI aspect and her really annoying 
attitude that bothers me.
 
> Yes, her change was sudden, and it catches Harry as off-guard as it
> catches us, and that should be a clue in and of itself.

While it does catch him off guard right at the beginning of the 
book, it moves to the realm of complete irrelevence once he gets 
used to the new status quo. We saw Harry's infatuation with cho 
coming two books away and yet not even the smallest thought of Ginny 
in a romantic light during OOTP. Not even a twinge.
 
> As a side note - I SO PREDICTED Ron's reaction to any guys that are
> interested in Ginny. Typical big brother behavior. I still see Ron
> acting like this when Ginny is in her 30's, assuming she's not 
married
> by that time. 

I still act that way and my sister is practically married. It is 
what big brothers do and I thought Ron's reactions were well done as 
well. Ron also seems to want Ginny and Harry to hook up. Maybe that 
means they won't since Ron will be shoving Ginny on Harry. Could be 
some good comedy.

phoenixgod2000